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Topic: One step at a time.......please!! (WotC and the Pokemon TCG)
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Skywolf1
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posted August 24, 2002 01:08 PM
The events of yesterday were a mix of emotions for me, both ENLIGHTENING and DISHEARTENING. Those events, as far as I am concerned, addressed the need for solidarity as a community. This community shouldn't just be limited just to the WizPOG forums either.
This needs to be a grass roots effort, that EVERYONE needs to take part in. There can NOT be any more "petty squabbles", or no more "dividing lines". We MUST function as ONE community. Geographical, racial or ethnic differences are irrevelent. What we are asking for is for the continued survival of the Pokemon TCG, as we have come to understand it. What do I mean by this?
In approxiamently 6 months time, (or around the Second Quarter of 2003) the Intellectual Rights for Pokemon come up for renewal. The two major runners in this race are Nintendo and Wizards of the Coast. Frankly, the behaviour of some key players, even though they meant these events to be JOKES, most certainly were NO LAUGHING MATTER. In fact, it might have caused an irreversable chain of events to be set in motion. Only time will tell.
So, I need to ask all of you here, and quite frankly I could care less what is thought of me by many people who post in this and other forums. The fact of the matter is, no matter how one tries to "sugarcoat" it, or tries, as they may, to just "sweep it under the rug", it is NOT going to go away. There is a VERY GOOD chance that WotC will NOT get the IP bid again. Face it. It is a very real and very serious ISSUE. Yes, getting the "older divison" would be a benefit. However, NOW IS NOT THE TIME.
This proposal is not, by any means, meant to be a short term solution to this problem. As one person put it, in another post, it is just like a band-aid. Rip it off, and the blood starts flowing again. We need the wound to heal completely, not just provide a temporary fix. In the long run, this solves nothing.
My proposed solution is as follows:
1. The wounds are still very deep. Not only amoungst some key players, but also very possibly between The Pokemon Company and Wizards of the Coast. With all these outbreaks since June, and all this pointless "mudslinging" at other individuals, TPC, most likely looks at the "older player" as a pestulence, and one that is causing a very negative public relations stink for the brand as a whole. It is going to take some pretty good convincing by the Pokemon Community, especially players in the "older division" to explain why The Pokemon Company should even GIVE Wizards of the Coast the IP rights for another 5 years. Truth is, the events of the last six months have made the task for the MT's and WotC as a company 100 times more difficult. Why? Because in essence, WotC has got to start from "square one" ALL over again. Yes, believe it or not, WotC was making progress in their ongoing negotations with The Pokemon Company. All that was needed was TIME and PATIENCE. Two attributes that many key players didn't want to excercise. As a result, months and most likely YEARS of tireless "behind the scenes" between WotC and TPC were lost, all on account of "greed" of some players. Think about it.
The MT's have stated time and time again, what TPC thinks of "older" players and their competitive nature when it comes to this game. They DON'T like it! However, WotC being the pioneers of Trading Card Games, and knowing the competitive nature of TCG players both here and abroad, tried to find some compromise that would make both parties happy. Hence, the Professor Program. Like I had stated earlier, all that was needed was TIME and PATIENCE. But, again, it was "GIMME, GIMME, GIMME". Couple that with the "impersination fiasco" and what we have now is a most certain recipie for DISASTER!
As you all know, Nintendo's area of expertise comes from electronic video games, NOT Trading Card Games. It is like Mercedes Benz going into the restaurant industy. MB has no expertise this area, they make cars (and mighty fine ones at that). Same is the case here. Broken down, it is like this:
If Nintendo wins the IP rights:
There will be NO older division.
There will be NO Orgaized Play as how we know it.
Major Events as we know it, would probably cease to exist.
If this happens, all this petitoning for "older player" recognition becomes moot.
What does this mean for the future of the TCG? Well, I think anyone here can figure that out.
What needs to be done is for us to come together and put are collective thoughts together to attempt to SAVE the GAME, before saving a DIVISION.
Because, with no game, there can be little chance of anything else. The only way this game will continue to be a profitable enterprise for all parties involved, is if WotC retains the IP rights.
So, please...one step at a time. This takes much greater precidence at this juncture than the 15+ issue.
Skywolf1
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posted August 24, 2002 01:16 PM
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IndigoMaster
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posted August 24, 2002 01:39 PM
Wow, great article, it sums things up so clearly, its true though, the 15+ stuff needs to end for now...but well...the certain players who are sustaining that opinion...don't care if the game lives on...if they don't get the 15+ the game is nothing to them anyways so they won't care to try and wait it out.
But yes, your very right, we need to band together for the game before we worry about different parts of the game.
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posted August 24, 2002 02:16 PM
Why does everyone keep thinking Nintendo has the greater chance for the license in 2003? Is there something I'm missing?
Wizards has several advatages over Nintendo for running this card game. WotC has organized play. If TPC didn't want organized play, they would not have had Wizards run this game in the first place. WotC has experience with trading card games unlike Nintendo and TPC knows that. WotC can make more money for this game than Nintendo can because WotC knows what they're doing. Not that Nintendo is a bad company, it's just they're an electronic video gaming company.
I can't think of one reason for TPC to choose Nintendo over Wizards for running this card game.
Although, MTM saying "Assuming we're still in the Pokemon business" didn't exactly make me feel comfortable about the current situation.
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posted August 24, 2002 02:21 PM
Reason why?
For those of you who didn't know: Nintendo is part of the group that makes up TPC: Nintendo, Media Factory, and Creatures. Cut out WotC, and keep it...the money, the IP..."all in the family"....
Get it now? Do you SEE why we're so worried about this?
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posted August 24, 2002 02:22 PM
Its like the Apocalype...for the Pokemon TCG
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posted August 24, 2002 02:33 PM
As people are saying, if Nintendo got the license, there would be no organized play. But what would be the point of buying cards then? I mean, yeah, a bunch of people collect, but there are MORE people who use the cards for their decks. No organized play = drop in profits. Also, why would MTM get our hopes up in the other thread if they weren't sure they stood a fighting chance at retaining the license?
I agree that we need to band together for the good of the community-- down with dividing lines and barriers. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Satoshi_Of_Pojo
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posted August 24, 2002 02:40 PM
I've got mixed feelings here.
One the one hand, I'm afraid like Skywolf that NoA will get the license and mess up our game.
One the other hand, I, like Kuro, cannot see any feasable reason for TPC to give it to NoA. I mean, they're not blind. They can see the bad stuff. They can also see the incredible surge of dissatisfaction that will await the game if NoA nabs it. Seriously, with OP gone, there goes at least half of the sales; not just from 15+, but from the competitve sides of the lower age categories.
I mean, look at it this way. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that NoA gets the license, okay. Here's what TPC is literally doing if they do that:
=NoA's PoV=
There would be no more Pokemon League. In fact, most likely there'd be no more events. Period. Because of this, the game is reduced to nearly nothing. Furthermore, no longer being in its fad stage, the amount of younger players willing to buy the cards when they know that there will not be any events is slim. Oops, there goes the sales. That's a shame, ain't it?
Now, let's say the Wizards of the Coast gets their license back. Here's what happens if TPC makes this, the smarter choice:
=WotC's PoV=
Next year, the Gym and Stadium series start up again. The Professor Program moves forward according to what TPC will allow, and from what MTM was saying earlier this weekend, that sounds like a pretty reasonable speed. The 10 and Under and 14- divisions, TPC's main interest, continue to grow and mature under the guidance of the still maturing Professor Program. Through listening to the Professors willing to do so, the MTs have devised a series of Side Event type things run by the Professors themselves, including a special "Pokemon 101" class to teach new, YOUNG (key TPC pleaser here, folks) players the rules of the game. The game continues to grow under WotC's support and overall superior knowledge of TCGs.
If that doesn't convince you, just look at the simple facts.
For one, look at the work that Wizards of the Coast is and has been willing to put into a game that isn't even theirs.
Second, look at Nintendo, a company whose primary market is electronic games, and thus has almost no clue how to correctly distribute and keep alive TCGs. Are they going to go through the trouble to clear up rules misinterpretations? No, most likely not. We can all agree that Pokemon is past its "Fad Prime"; namely, the time where it made MAD amounts of money without really doing anything.
Now, someone help me out here. When was the last License Renewal? If we assume that the last one was 1 or 2 years ago, that puts us quite near the time when Pokémon was still a monster hit. Of course Nintendo is going to try to buy into then! But what about now...? What about when all that's left are the diehard players, and the fans and their money have moved on to the next big thing?
No offense meant here, but it seems Nintendo would be better suited to buy into Yu-Gi-Oh than Pokémon. I really doubt Nintendo is going to do anything out of their way to keep the game alive and fresh aside from printing the cards. It's like a friend told me, "That'd be like buying a car you know is going to break down."
Just my honest opinion,
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Satoshi_Of_Pojo
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posted August 24, 2002 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by SD_PokeMom:
Reason why?
For those of you who didn't know: Nintendo is part of the group that makes up TPC: Nintendo, Media Factory, and Creatures. Cut out WotC, and keep it...the money, the IP..."all in the family"....
Get it now? Do you SEE why we're so worried about this?
'Mom, I'll be the first to admit. I didn't know that Nintendo was alligned with TPC in any way, and this makes things a bit more frightening.
BUT...There has to be a reason TPC went to Wizards of the Coast in the first place, and not directly to Nintendo. I strongly believe that reason is WotC's experience with these sort of games. Why else wouldn't they do just what you said, and keep the profits for themselves?
WotC has OP like no one else. The DCI, the money to do some of the stuff they done, and most importantly, an understanding of what TCGs need to keep them fresh and inviting to the public. Nintendo has none of this, and I believe this is why TPC didn't go to them in the first place.
TPC could have easily taken a look at Magic: the Gathering or another WotC-made game and said "Hey, you know what, our game might take a different path than we want." And no doubt they did, as a business decision without first looking at who you're partnering up with is just foolish.
Wizards has a few things going for them.
-Recogniziability: People see WotC as a card game manufacturer. People see Nintendo in video games. You cross those, and immediately people start giving the game odd looks.
-Understanding: They know what needs to be done, and can do it well. Nintendo...well, it'd be fairly new territory for them.
-Patience and Perseverence: WotC realizes that what needs to be done takes time, and can cope with that. I doubt Nintendo would take the time to do what needs to be done correctly, when instead they could just produce the cards and forget the whole OP thing. =\
WotC is good for the game, TPC knows this. It's a gut feeling, but it makes sense.
Hoping for the best,
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posted August 24, 2002 03:09 PM
Agh. =\
Look, is it a possibility that this could happen? Yeah... but I'm calling a bluff. Honestly, I believe this is being used as a scare tactic. Do we need to watch what we say to TPC? YES! But guys, don't worry your pants off.
TPC giving the license to Nintendo is about as counterproductive as selling Pokemon to the Muslim Foundation for America. It's pretty random... and I doubt it will happen. If it does, it's just another thing I'm wrong about ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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posted August 24, 2002 03:09 PM
If I could heres my solution: Gernades for everyone and lets get some lisence. But seeing it is illegal to do that ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) I say we just gotta stick together. Still who knows, maybe Nintendo could do a good job running the game though I doubt it.
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posted August 24, 2002 04:02 PM
Good article, Skywolf1. I'm sure we'll all be watching this story very closely to see if the future is in our favor. We don't know for sure if Nintendo would shut down the leagues and organized play, but it is very likely. They would probably stop Pokemon forever.
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posted August 24, 2002 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by RULEMASTER:
Good article, Skywolf1. I'm sure we'll all be watching this story very closely to see if the future is in our favor. We don't know for sure if Nintendo would shut down the leagues and organized play, but it is very likely. They would probably stop Pokemon forever.
Yes we do. The Pokémon League and whatnot are not TPC's, or so is my understanding. They are WotC's. =\
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posted August 24, 2002 07:16 PM
Way to put it, Skywolf!
We need to focus on getting the License before getting 15+ issues settled.
If TPC knows what's good for the game, WotC will keep it.
I don't see what "trump card" NoA could use to sway it in their favor...Espescially with no OP, Events, or League/Battlezone
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posted August 24, 2002 07:48 PM
I had no idea that this was going on!!! ![[Dropjaw]](graemlins/dropjaw.gif) How can we help WotC? How can I help?
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posted August 24, 2002 09:23 PM
Hey like some of the other players I did not know there was a struggle going on here for the rights to Pokemon TCG. I am with Skywolf1. Let's ban together and help get Pokemon TCG back and then worry about 15+ later. Besides I would rather play and not have tournaments for older players than not have a game to play.
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posted August 24, 2002 10:07 PM
I'm with random on this.If it ends it ends, but if we dont get 15+ back i feel like it sorta ends anyway. I mean i like to play this game. i want to play in tournaments. I've only been able to play in ONE major tournament and that was a gym challenge in columbus ohio.It was a lot of fun. I'd like to still beable to participate in those. I've been pulling away from the game, because of the fact i cant play in fun tournaments. But when i heard rumors of it starting to come back i thought i might like it again. And i do, but i'm starting to lose interest, because to me the tournaments are what makes this game fun to play. You meet or people, you get better chances to trade for the cards you need. And its just fun being in tournaments. I mean if pokemon dies that doesnt mean we cant still use the cards we have to play with our friends. I agree though it would be cool if wizards could keep it. But maybe we'd see more players coming back when 15+ is brought back into it. I'm sorry but i think we need to deal with 15+ more.
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posted August 24, 2002 10:55 PM
Well, having dealt with Japanese for almost 30 years, I can tell you they do NOT look at this the same as you all do. What may make sense to you does not necessarly mean it does to them. Add the fact that the people at TPC who make these calls are businessmen, and they are more than likely being lobbied by nintendo for the rights, and I'm sure nintendo has a plan in place to woo TPC into considering them. A few years ago, Pepsi convinced Rite Aid to sell only their products for 4 years, and gave them a hefty fee ( 17 million, I think) for it. It was a disaster for Rite Aid , but sounded good up front. None of us will ever know how good or bad that aspect is going, but we CAN work to show how we as professors can all do our part. Pokemon got spoiled during the fad years, but considering it is not the big fad du jour, we are doing pretty good. Pokemon is still one of the most fun and challangeing card games out today. As for Ness, quitting will not help, nor is the promise to quit going to change anything. If you want to quit, go. Your dad will save lots of money not having to buy those pokemon cards anymore. If you want to do something about playing in 15+, come to the next worlds, where you will get at least a box of product, even if you finish last , get a chance to play against the best players in pokemon, and maybe learn something. Or maybe work in pokemon 101, and put your skill to use for something other than vainity. It is this attiude that the Japanese dislike and feel is bad for the game; not the competiveness, but what it breeds. Or in DMTM words "gimmie, gimmie, gimmie".
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posted August 24, 2002 11:03 PM
People, people. Please.
Remember, the notion of Nintendo competing with Wizards of the Coast for the Pokémon license is not a new and radical idea. It's BEEN happening, and this makes me doubt that anything will change this time around.
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posted August 25, 2002 05:00 AM
After veiwing my comments in a couple other posts, I have changed my mind in a couple of ways. I posted I would not be buying anymore packs. That goes directly away from what I want. I should buy MORE packs. The more money Wizards get the better there chance of getting the licenses is. If they have the license the better the chance of 15+ returning, or atleast me getting into the Prof. Program. So after figuring this out I will no longer be fighting, and I will be buying my normal 2-4 booster boxes of each set. I offer my assistance to Wizards in any way I can.
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posted August 25, 2002 05:40 AM
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For those of you who didn't know: Nintendo is part of the group that makes up TPC: Nintendo, Media Factory, and Creatures. Cut out WotC, and keep it...the money, the IP..."all in the family"....
Get it now? Do you SEE why we're so worried about this?-SDMOM
Mom what you are talking about is very very similar to a corporate conglomerate. If this happens that Nintendo does get the license. We will be so gone from this game and stop purchasing products it wont even be funny. WOTC has done such a great job keeping this game alive and healthy to see that all go to Nintendo would be so wasteful. I am sick and tired of all the Corporate Greed in this world that I do my little part by not supporting those companies when stuff like this happens. And beleive me I am not the only one that shares this opinion. Just about my whole League does too. Someone can go share this with TPC too.
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posted August 25, 2002 09:10 AM
Johnny Blaze, that's exactly what I think it going to happen. TPC has to realize what will (not MIGHT, as we all know how GONE a lot of people would be from the game) happen if Nintendo gets the license. It's just...not a smart move on their part.
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posted August 25, 2002 12:41 PM
I mean, [TPC's] not blind.
I dunno about that. Although hopefully I trust that they'll make the right decision.
I'm mix on this though.
One on hand we've got TPC, which IS Nintendo. Take a look at the bottom of your Legendary Collection cards. "©2002 Pokémon/NINTENDO". The chances of TPC going "in house" for an English release of the Pokémon TCG is very scary reality. One that I would like to avoid outright.
On the other hand, Nintendo knows how to properly run a card game about as much an infant knows how to run a nuclear reactor. Logically, if TPC is interested in keeping this game alive and PROFITABLE, they should keep it with Wizards. (Heck, even LucasFilms realized the power behind a "Wizards" name since they chose Wizards over Decipher with the Star Wars franchise.)
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Do you want my honest opinion? Stop the fighting, and stop the SCARE TACTICS! Sky, as much as I realize you're trying to make a point about why we should stop bickering, I think it probably wasn't the best idea to say "Shut up or ELSE." (in the manner of "stop the fighting otherwise Wizards loses the license"). Boasting negativity to stop negativity has never worked. We need to keep things up and POSITIVE.
Stop the fighting and SUPPORT WIZARDS! That's what the community mantra should say! That's what should be spralled across a 15 foot banner of peace!
Whether or not Wizards loses the license is the real moot point. We shouldn't even have to worry about that as long as we support Wizards every step of the way!
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posted August 25, 2002 01:40 PM
Nick15 is right...we all need to be optimistic and just support wizards as much as we can. How can we do that? I only have one idea and is keeping everything positive on the boards and being very constructive on posts here. Perhaps TPC will look at the optimism and helpfulness of not only the 15+ but everyone and continue the liscense for us.
I myself am not worried about the liscense, because if Nintendo does get the liscense, Pokemon TCG will totally be gone in less than a few months. Hardly anyone will buy it because there is no organized play support. Oh well, a great game, made and played by great people down the drain.
I don't think that's gonna happen. So let's be much optimistic (of positive for the young people that don't know the meaning of the word).
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posted August 25, 2002 02:17 PM
Reading the new Ness's article at Pojo.com...
What do you want from Wizards?
Organization for 15+ play or only prizes and trips?
I thinked that peoples who talked about this maked a joke, but now I have a reality in front of me.
If this"hundreds of players" who wants the 15+ return, want it only for have some good prized (like 10+ box) or trips, this talk is useless.
I don't understand...
You want play? You'll have play (WE'll have play).
You want prizes? You aren't kids. You now are teens. It's different.
If you want the ice cream, dad will buy it.
But Wizards is dad only for kids.
Wizards will give you prizes when the 15+ tournament will be ok, and they'll be prizes for Professors (cards, shirts, promos, etc.).
It's not a "I want this' I want that" thing.
Is "We want this and we are there to have this, and we'll work together to have this".
If you read the posts above, you read that WoTC give prizes if they sell cards.
Wizards print cards, not money!!!!
And without people that buy cards (like kids, you know), we can't have prizes.
But if you are interested only in prizes, you are wrong. You don't want to play for fun.
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