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Topic: Age and Game Specific Penalty Guidelines for Pokémon--good idea?
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DMTM
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posted April 11, 2002 12:57 PM
From reading this I think what you are talking about is not so much age related as it is REL related. The same penalties should apply across the board regardless of age.
That is how we run our tournaments.
I believe we need some education on how this is done/enforced. It is apparent that we are a long way from any consistency.
What it would be nice to aspire to is a future where an incorrect ruling can be corrected at the time or at least interpreted online by a large amount of Professors with the same conclusions.
This is I believe what is at the heart of the issue.
The question then is how to accomplish this education?
DMTM
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KrisAlvarez
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posted April 11, 2002 01:08 PM
Hey,
OldMan, I think this is a great idea. Now that we are having many Premiere Pokemon events, we need something to go by for infractions. We now have a World Championships, and we all need to be familiar with the infractions and penalities if we chose to be judges at these events. I would love if you can send me a copy of these. My e-mail is [email protected] Thanks again!
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TheBoss
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posted April 11, 2002 01:24 PM
I Think DMTM Hit The Nail On The Head...
The Purpose of this endevor should be to give TO's, Head Judges, Judges, and Professors a better understanding of how to make the same ruling's, as MTM said that a lot of the Magic Penaltys are a little harsh for Pokemon, we need to focuse on the guideline already published by WoTC and touch it up for pokemon. with the correct penalty for the infraction.
I Don't think it was Mom's idea to completely re-write the guideline and come up with new rules, only to modify what was there??
the document would be a very useful source, but the need to get everyone to read and learn the rules and enforcement of them, needs to be addresed also.
DMTM, any suggestions as to how this may be acomplished?
Anyone Else?
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Alaka-Deka
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posted April 11, 2002 01:54 PM
quote:
Originally posted by DMTM:
From reading this I think what you are talking about is not so much age related as it is REL related. The same penalties should apply across the board regardless of age.
That is how we run our tournaments.
I believe we need some education on how this is done/enforced. It is apparent that we are a long way from any consistency.
What it would be nice to aspire to is a future where an incorrect ruling can be corrected at the time or at least interpreted online by a large amount of Professors with the same conclusions.
This is I believe what is at the heart of the issue.
The question then is how to accomplish this education?
DMTM
DMTM:
I have a couple. Feel free to ignore them or reject them at will LOL
1. As for the rules themselves, the Floor Rules could be updated to relate more specifically to the game, and work on the UTR and UPG could be done. Time consuming, but worth it.
2. Disseminating the information could be accomplished with chat sessions for the Professors, Judges and other pertinent people. Mainly already in place, just needs to be tweaked a bit.
3. Online training sessions could be set up, video conferencing the necessary people together to use a 'virtual classroom' setting. Somewhat expensive to set up, but very effective and cheap to run, once it's set up.
4. Video presentations could be developed to be distributed for people who can't make online training. Easily accomplished once the online training is taking place.
5. Updated documents could be made more available to the people that need it, either through html, pda-formats, downloadable docs, or printed materials. Downloads and HTML are the most viable, allowing the most people to access them, at the smallest cost.
These would help to ensure that ruling are consistent, appropriate, and correct. Incorrect rulings could be corrected, in the field, with an adaptation of the DCI Reporter software, opening an online "Rules Interpreter" for quick access and ease of use, probably using some version of the Master Rulings, or an interactive "Rules Team" A comprehensive database of cards would probably help, although this might not be necessary, and certainly wouldn't be absolutely so.
Just a few thoughts.
~Deka
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babayaga
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posted April 12, 2002 09:26 AM
I'd just like to chime in and say I agree that a Pokemon-specific document would be great. I could do any Linux format that needed to be made or cross-platform like Abiword and WordPerfect.
It's very confusing to have to translate and look through extraneous material.
regards,
Beth
what the hell is a sideboard, and what is it doing in my rules?
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professormariah
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posted April 12, 2002 12:12 PM
farbsman - I just sent you a copy. Anyone else who would like one, just let me know.
Hello Old Man, I would love a copy. My e-mail is [email protected]. Thanks!!
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Feraligatr14
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posted April 12, 2002 01:53 PM
DMTM I agree with you. I like Old Man's document because it is easy to read and more "user friendly". I think a document like this would help in standardizing rulings. I do think one of the issues that we face as judges sometimes is what category (i.e. minor, major, etc...) does the game condition fall into. Obviously the more complex, the more difficult to determine. If there is a way to include that into Old Man's document it would be really helpful. Of course, there is the issue of how often would this be maintained and how big would the document become as a result. Suggestions anyone ???
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SD_PokeMom
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posted April 12, 2002 02:48 PM
I agree that old man's document is easy to use...but IMHO we're getting the cart ahead of the horse here. A "condensed" form of the Pokémon Penalty Guidelines should come last, AFTER we've been able to determine what changes need to be made to the existing Penalty Guidelines to make them specific to Pokémon.
Obviously, the "sideboard" sections would come out of a Pokémon-only document. IMHO the easiest way to re-do this would be to go through the existing guidelines section by section, and come up with "examples" of the violations that would be specific to Pokémon...so we can all be clear on just what "Procedural Error: Major" etc. are when it comes to Pokémon.
Between all of our collective experiences as GLs, TOs, and judges, plus the info from the professor email list from MTM and Kierin, I think we can do this...in the long run, it will make things much easier not only for ourselves, but for Magic/DCI judges and TOs, too.
Why don't we start posting suggestions? It might be easiest to start a separate thread for each section..for example, all suggestions and comment for Section 100/Deck Problems would be one thread; Section 110/Procedural Errors would be another, etc. What does everyone think?
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TheBoss
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posted April 12, 2002 07:17 PM
Sounds Good... But Wouldnt That Clutter the Professor board... is there a way to maybe add another board just for that...?? might not be a good idea but thought i would throw it in...
Say When Ya Want to start it...
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The Boss
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old man
Member # 28
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posted April 13, 2002 02:18 AM
It is clear that a penalty for an 8 year old has to be applied the same for a 30 year old for the same infraction.
I agree with others that we need to be sure that when an infraction occurs, what category does it belong to. Going with SD_Pokemom's suggestion & since I'm at it already I'll go ahead & start.
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Lugia909
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posted April 13, 2002 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by TheBoss:
Sounds Good... But Wouldnt That Clutter the Professor board...
Why, gee...I thought that this was exactly the sort of thing that the Profs forum _existed for in the first place_.
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