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Topic: Professor Team questions (regarding Pokemon League)
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farbsman
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posted March 14, 2002 06:08 AM
[CHRISBO EDIT - added to title to make more descriptive.]
Ok the new team format is awesome, but I feel that many of us have more questions about it then we are getting answered. I figured we could post the questions here and answer them. I will start.
1. With this new format, how do we stamp league tags for this. Do we give the kids 4 stamps for beating 2 kids or 2 stamps because they only player one match? What do you think.
2. Should this format be allowed in league play? Since the season ending tournament is set by the number of wins, if one player teams up with someone who very rarely losses, they will have more wins yet they are not that great of a player. So should we not stamp the win section for the team playing?
3. Would it be possible to run two different leagues within the league? What I mean is have one setup for team and another for single player. Those who choose to play team have to play team the whole season and those who play single play that the whole season. Then have a season ending tournament for each type and divide the promo energies. What do you think?
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[ March 14, 2002, 04:29 PM: Message edited by: Chrisbo ]
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Luke L Green
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posted March 14, 2002 06:12 AM
It would seem that since you are playing as a team and against a team that, if you win, you should get the stamps you normally get for beating one person. This is because you're still just facing one opponent (it just happens to be comprised of two people).
My 2 cents.
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SD_PokeMom
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posted March 14, 2002 06:23 AM
I agree: normal stamping on passports for team play...1 stamp for playing, plus another stamp for each of the members of the winning team. This is how lance313 did it at his League, when we played this past Sunday...
I think you could go ahead and let people use this in League play, BUT the season end tourney should still be single play, as multi-player is not a sanctionable format yet. Which would not help the "weaker" team player in this situation all that much; s/he might get a higher seeding due to the team play, but would probably be eliminated early in the tourney if s/he is truly that weak.
Until all the "kinks" are worked out, I would not use this for tourneys...nor "split" the League as you suggest. JMHO...
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[ March 14, 2002, 06:33 AM: Message edited by: SD_PokeMom ]
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posted March 14, 2002 06:25 AM
Ditto (pun intended) ![[ROFL]](../tcg/graemlins/roflmao.gif)
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farbsman
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posted March 14, 2002 06:36 AM
Ok, that works for me. I figured I would only stamp them for one match anyway. So what about the wins row. Since they are not playing by themselves, I don't think they should get one in that row. They don't play the season end tournament with a teamate, so should they get credit for winning a match when they had help? Should I just stamp the the 1 for playing 1 for winning and not put a stamp in the win row?
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Spectreon
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posted March 14, 2002 06:42 AM
I say as long as they won, they should get a win stamp. Why penalize a win just because they are trying a new format? Also, it takes alot of time to play a team battle, usually about the time you coulda played 2-4 games. If they won, give it to them. it is only right (in my book anyways)
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SD_PokeMom
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posted March 14, 2002 07:21 AM
I'd go ahead and give them both a win stamp...it's still a win, and BOTH players had to defeat both opponents. It's not like one player was just holding a hand of cards and letting the other teammate tell him/her what to do throughout the whole game, since it's against the rules for the teammates to see each other's hands. JMHO...
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Gym Leader Blaine
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posted March 14, 2002 10:13 AM
At the Game Keeper in Salt Lake City we have done Team Playing for the past year. What we did is just give each player one stamp for playing and a addtion stamp for winning. Just the same as if they played a one-on-one game.
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lance313
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posted March 15, 2002 10:21 PM
Okay, my responses.
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1. With this new format, how do we stamp league tags for this. Do we give the kids 4 stamps for beating 2 kids or 2 stamps because they only player one match? What do you think.
The winning team gets four stamps for winning, split evenly amongst it's team members (two each) and two 'win' stamps, again, evenly split amongst it's members (one each). The non-winning team gets two stamps for participating, split amongst its' members (one stamp each).
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2. Should this format be allowed in league play? Since the season ending tournament is set by the number of wins, if one player teams up with someone who very rarely losses, they will have more wins yet they are not that great of a player. So should we not stamp the win section for the team playing?
Absolutely at league. Where else is it going to get a real test, especially with such a variety of deck types? As for wins, unless regularly teamed with the better player (which would conversely be to the detriment of that better player, as it increases his/her chance of losing the match), it likely won't make that much of a difference. And the season end rankings realistically only matter in the first round, maybe the second to a lesser degree. In Swiss, the wins count for virtually nothing.
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3. Would it be possible to run two different leagues within the league? What I mean is have one setup for team and another for single player. Those who choose to play team have to play team the whole season and those who play single play that the whole season. Then have a season ending tournament for each type and divide the promo energies. What do you think?
I don't think this is appropriate. MAYBE if you have two sessions you could hold one as team and one as single, but to lock players into one or the other within the same session is just, well, wrong. I plan to comingle the types and the points earned therein, as winning as part of a team actually takes different skills than playing on your own, just as booster draft is different than constructed. All around skill is a better indicator of a player's abilities than just one niche. JMHO
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professormariah
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posted March 16, 2002 09:11 AM
At our league we have been experimenting with team battles for a while, and I have always awarded all a stamp for playing with the winners getting an additional stamp.
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yoshi1001
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posted March 16, 2002 09:18 AM
Let's try to be a little more clear here. There are two types of stamps: Point stamps and Win Stamps. I say that each member of the losing team gets one point stamp, and that the each member of the winning team gets 2 point stamps and one win stamp.
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Unown Trainer
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posted March 16, 2002 01:53 PM
The way one of my leagues did it was this (before team battle rules were even being considered): The looser would get 2 points because each teammate faced 2 opponents. The winner would get 4 stamps for beating 2 opponents each. We didn't normally do more than 2 team battles a week, so we didn't get many points in a week because it took a while to complete one game.
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snorezzz
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posted March 17, 2002 09:12 PM
Though it does seem that each person is essentially facing one person, I really feel like you should get double stamps for a Team Match. It takes a lot more time... often more than two regular matches, because there is so much more to consider. It's not the same as two one-on-one matches; clearly, because everyone must wait 3 turns. That's my take on it. Definitely not fewer points- if anything, more points. ![[Angel]](../tcg/graemlins/angel.gif)
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