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Topic: Why the Professors should also have deck checklists for the Professors only tourney:
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Johnny Blaze
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posted July 31, 2002 06:00 PM
Re above:
After much internal thought and debate I have personally come to a conclusion that us Professors/Master Professors should also fill out deck checklists.
Even though this will not be DCI sanctioned, the pairings will still be made through the DCI reporter computer. Since this is also a 2 day event this provides a big window for some people to go ahead and change their decks based on what was seen during Day 1. Of course as being Professors we are supposed to be setting an example of honesty, good sportsmanship, etc. etc. Unfortunately, youngest (15-19), younger (20-30),young (30-40), younger than young (40-50), and youngest of them all 50+ there are going to be some people that just can not resist the temptation to change their deck. After all look at some of the past reports that professors helped others to pass the professor exam.
I dont think it is too much to ask for Professors to fill out a deck checklist. I trust myself not to cheat but in such an event as this. Just look at the prize structure and prestige. It will be too hard on some not too change their deck.
I support all Professors and WOTC staff in filling a deck checklist for the Professors tourney.
Thank you.
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Strike
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posted July 31, 2002 06:07 PM
I totally agree with you Johnny. After what supposedly happened at the first wcsts(an alleged illegal switch for a lass someone made right before their T8 match), I became certain that decklists must be filled out by everyone that are playing in these kinds of events.
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Johnny Blaze
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posted July 31, 2002 06:18 PM
Strike I cant wait to meet you because that is the exact incident that made up my mind that we need to have deck checklists for this important event. I know this event is for fun with the bounties and all but at least a DeckCheck list will keep those dishonest players in check. (pun intended)
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yoshi1001
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posted July 31, 2002 08:04 PM
Professor tournaments at the SCs did not have decklists, either. Of course, if anyone violated that trust... ![[NoNoNo]](../tcg/graemlins/nonono.gif)
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Pokidad
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posted July 31, 2002 08:05 PM
Johnny Blaze. What, Professors changing their decks from one day to another? However, I agree with you 100%.
We should be setting the example by following the rules, be it sanction or not.
Here is an idea and proposal to WotC:
I personally make this offer to help organize the collection of the Professor's deck listings for this event right prior to this event taking place, submitting my deck listing first to MTM, DMTM or whoever, then have several up and coming Professors (15-) collect the rest of them right before we play. WotC can even make this announcement during the day to each Professor as they report for their shift as well as tell everyone prior to our event. I'm sure I can get several teenagers to even help with deck checking during our tournament (like the up and coming Professors, e.g., 15-). What a great learning experience it would be for them and they could act as Judges for our event (doing the rulings and handing out the penalties). They could also do random deck checkings between our rounds.
What do you think? ![[Bounce]](../tcg/graemlins/jump.gif)
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Pokidad
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posted July 31, 2002 08:13 PM
yoshi1001: How would you know if anyone violated that trust since you don't have anything to check it by unless another player knew exactly what that player had in his deck? You need some type of measurable control in place and a deck listing is a fantastic control. It will also provide WotC some information as to the types of unlimited decks that might currently being played in this format, one of WotC objectives (mentioned in a chat I think) for selecting this format for us. I would take the opportunity to gather this data since it can be easily done.
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yoshi1001
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posted July 31, 2002 08:43 PM
It's easier to tell than you think (of course, it was even easier at the SCs since it was Rochester Draft). No one's going to be able to significantly change their decks without arousing suspicion.
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Jeremy Badeaux
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posted August 01, 2002 12:04 AM
quote:
Originally posted by yoshi1001:
It's easier to tell than you think (of course, it was even easier at the SCs since it was Rochester Draft). No one's going to be able to significantly change their decks without arousing suspicion.
However it's all too easy to tech in 1 or 2 cards(if people are playing high amounts of babies, a Murkrow just happens to find it's way into a slowking/sneasel, and nobody would ever know).
Deck checks would make the tournament take a little longer, and we are already looking at it finishing around 11:00pm.
Deck checks would also prevent cheating.
As my mom said on the subject of where I'll keep my cards during my shift,'you can't trust somebody, just because they are a Professor'.
I don't think anybody from these message boards have low enough standards to cheat at an event like this... but it's been stated before,'there are plenty of Professors who don't even know about these boards'.
We have to compare the cost of having deck checks with the safety it will bring.
This will probably be my last post until after Worlds, so please don't address me with any questions until then(Like people ever come to me for advise anyways ![[ROFL]](../tcg/graemlins/roflmao.gif) ).
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old man
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posted August 01, 2002 01:55 AM
Any Professor who would change their deck mid-tournament is not worthy of the title!
I too agree that a deck list should be made on DAY 1. They wouldn't even have to be checked against the deck on Day 1 either. The only thing for DAY 1's use would be to have the list with the player's name on it. Then..........
DAY 2 - When it gets down to the top X amount of players, (say top 8), then have a break to check the lists against the actual deck. Then if there is a problem between the two, the appropriate measures/penalty's could be applied.
Now imagine making the top 8, and after switching a card or more, when your deck is checked, you get the penalty of DISQUALIFICATION WITHOUT PRIZES! Oh the humiliation! and what kind of example is that!!!!! (may be a little harsh, maybe, but I feel it's justified in this case)
Even though this is unsanctioned so that the WotC employees can play, besides that 1 little thing, this event ought to be held at least REL 2. There is and should be no excuse or exception for cheating or card switching by a Professor or a WotC employee.
[ August 01, 2002, 01:57 AM: Message edited by: old man ]
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FireFighter09
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posted August 01, 2002 02:22 AM
I fully agree with ya godo buddy blaze. The chances of someone teching cards in and out betwwen day 1 and day 2 is so high that we ned decklist in the professor event. I understand that this isnet sanctioned but MTM you gotta see that without decklist the range for cheating is so high.
I say old man nice comment:
"Any Professor who would change their deck mid-tournament is not worthy of the title!"-OldMan
Many professors are gonna have that urge to but 99.0% will not. The problem is there is that 1% who want to win bad enough that they will pull a trick so wizards much watch out for this. Thats why decklist are needed. ![[Cool]](../tcg/cool.gif)
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Voltorb43
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posted August 01, 2002 03:54 AM
Agreed with all.
There are some pretty nice prizes on the line. Unfortunately, Professors are still human beings and human nature being what it is, I'm afraid it might be too big a temptation for some. I'd like to think we'd all be honorable enough not to cheat in this manner, but it shouldn't be too hard to put a simple safeguard in place. Better safe than sorry.
Old Man has it right. Using decklists can be done in such a way that it doesn't significantly slow the tournament down, but I think a random rather than a pre-determined time to check the top players' decks against their lists would be a harder deterrent to defeat.
I also agree that DQ without prize would be appropriate for anyone caught cheating in this manner.
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diamondz
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posted August 01, 2002 06:53 AM
Yes, Johnny, a good idea. I see absolutely NO reason why any Professors/Wizards should object to handing in deck lists Saturday before the tournament begins. It will also make it a lot easier to to write an "after-action report" on the top 4 or 8. It would be fun to compare Professors' vis-a-vis Wizards' decks as well! ![[Big Grin]](../tcg/biggrin.gif)
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yoshi1001
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posted August 01, 2002 08:02 AM
Of course I would never object to filling out a decklist-after all, I require them at my tournaments (mainly since I have mostly kids who are 10- who need the checking just to be sure, not because I would think any of them would intentionally pull something on me, mind you, and that way I don't have to check them all physically). Professors are pretty Fearow-eyed and will catch things.
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Pokidad
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posted August 01, 2002 10:19 AM
This is not a hard thing to do and can be easily managed. I have done several deck checks, at Qualifiers, Challenges and other tournaments. If done correctly, even between rounds, there is no impact on time of the event, except for possible the top 8, which definitely should have deck checks.
Again, I offer my services to pull this together. I already know several 15- players who would be willing to do this for us and help out.
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Big Daddy Snorlax
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posted August 01, 2002 10:26 AM
Even if they don't make it an official requirement, let's just do it anyway. Spread the word to your fellow professors and I'm sure that MTM will not refuse to collect our decklists. We may not get 100% compliance, but I bet we're close. Getting those darn MTs to do paperwork may be difficult though!
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Feraligatr14
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posted August 01, 2002 02:33 PM
Definitely count me in. Actually I was already planning on having one completed before Sat. I agree that there should be no reason why a Professor would not fill one out. Pokidad I think that is a great idea to get 15- to assist if possible. One of the ideas for the Professor program is to create something that 14- want to join/become. Let me know if I can help in anyway.
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Pokidad
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posted August 01, 2002 05:14 PM
Oh, that wonderful southern hospitality, thanks Jeff (Feraligrat14). When I see DMTM, MTM et al., I will asked them if we can go ahead with this plan. As I was just finishing packing and completing the boys' deck listings, I was just putting the finishing touches on my Professor deck and making its listing as well.
Cya tomorrow.
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