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Topic: Not getting credit...
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BJJ763
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posted November 26, 2002 12:25 PM
I wasn't going to chime in on this but i will now:
My thoughts before DMTM's announcement (if i understand it correctly): I may not get credit for BZ coming to Fantasy Gameland BUT Fantasy Gamelande BZers will get the opportunity to continue playing throughout the holiday season and we'll be some of the few to get the promo Electabuzz (assuming a new one in January when many stores will join in).
My thoughts after DMTM's announcement (if i understand it correctly): Wow. Looks like i will get credit for Fantasy Gameland!!!!! I don't have to worry about anyone claim jumping me....living in RI does have it's advantages. ![[Evil Smirk]](../tcg/graemlins/Up_to.gif)
Ohhh new Graemlin. This one's for Matthew - ![[pumpkin]](../tcg/graemlins/pumpkin.gif)
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IPGeek21
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posted November 26, 2002 12:32 PM
Understood Dark Master ![[Wink]](../tcg/wink.gif)
<-- ![[Confused]](../tcg/confused.gif)
I never noticed it...
I guess the webmaster @ WOtC must be jealous of LizardOTC's collection ![[ROFL]](../tcg/graemlins/roflmao.gif)
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DOMCGI
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posted November 26, 2002 01:45 PM
I am not really understand what DMTM say about getting credit on store already signed for BZ.
Do professor still mail the Delegate form with the store name and the business card? Or ask the store to send a letter?
Personal, I don't understand why people want the credit so badly.
In my understanding, the credit only include a Battle zone kit (a shirt, a jumbo card, 8 winner card and 16 pretty useless old promo card) + a special professor exclusive promo card if speak to each store.
The only valuable stuff is the Exclusive promo. I believe it is what people really care.
When I talk to the store I used to play the league, the store owner (also Pokemon player and a collector) believe that he should not sign the BZ so early. If he do not order the kit yet, he could cooperate with me and we can get 2 cards in total. Now is too late.
I 100% agree that the Delegate program is to get "NEW" store. It is very difficult to identify that : 1. a store orginally don't want BZ but continous due to professor hard work; 2. a store join BZ because just they want.
To reduce the argument, I suggest to reward each store which runing BZ by giving 1 or 2 exclusive cards to each store. An instruction give to the store store to give the card to the most helpful person. So already hard working person already get reward.
For me, I already send the form for a new store. If the new store accept the BZ, I plan to spend 3 week in my orginal store, and 1 week in the new store for monthly tournment.
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LizardOTC
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posted November 26, 2002 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by IPGeek21:
Understood Dark Master
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I never noticed it...
I guess the webmaster @ WOtC must be jealous of LizardOTC's collection
On topic: I intend to go all-out pitching BZ in this area anyway, so I'm sure I'll get credit one way or the other.
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DaytonGymLeader
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posted November 26, 2002 04:33 PM
Don't get me wrong, we are still going to market the program to other locations with the caveat that we cannot run it due to time constraints and such. It's just good to see that credit is given for sustainment as well as development.
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ScythKing
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posted November 26, 2002 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by Pokesensei:
Originally posted by TheCrossFormatKid: Hey sensei, maybe you could pitch BZ(seeing as ur gonna be a delegate) to my B-A-M! store,
Well no - they torpedoed that too on the Professor List today - certain stores that have traditionally supported League are being talked to directly by WotC ansd as such are no longer qualified to get you your credit.
FWIW - DMTM - I hope you misunderstood what Sensei was trying to say. Essentially this: He was campaigning for BZ before the details were finalized and getting stores to sign up. We essentially knew the major points, and we were told of the rewards. Now you're saying that since he did these good deeds before they were "set in stone" (jumped the gun?) that they have to start over with another store? Seems to me that he deserves credit for being a go getter and getting out there as quickly as possible. Anyone who has been selling BZ is working on faith from what you guys have told us - don't abuse the faithful, keep your promises. I dunno about where Sensei is, but here I started campaigning quickly if for no other reason to let the stores know that Yu-Gi-Oh hasn't run us out of the country yet. Maybe y'all aren't concerned about it but I'm having to fight to keep it from eroding my player base.
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LizardOTC
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posted November 26, 2002 08:03 PM
Worry not, everyone!
From the most recent Professor email:
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In order to facilitiate easy record keeping I will not differentiate between a store already running it or a location that is not. This means that you can visit and report on a store that is already running BattleZone. You may be able to better explain the program and answer any questions they may have so we want to recognize this effort on your part. Remember, each store only counts once, so the first report I receive from a store is what counts.
So, as soon as we get the materials, let's hit the pavement and get our "early bird" stores verified along with selling the program to new stores.
Hey, I'm as promo hungry as anyone! I plan to visit several stores...
Holds up sign: *Will work for cards*
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SteveP
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posted November 27, 2002 12:51 AM
Well now, this is interesting! Do I cop-out and list the store that I currently run League at? This is a tough one. About 3 months ago, it was me who talked to the store and got them to run league. Last week before the chat, I got the store to order BZ kits (without making the official Delegate presentation). Now, if what I'm reading is true, I can list this store and make the presentation. That's certainly great news!
Now, what about presenting the program to other stores? Will one Delegate kit be enough to present at multiple store? I assume yes, but do we need to report ALL stores we visit? Even though I'll be put only one store on the application form, I'll definately be visiting a couple more.
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WizPog_BDS
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posted November 27, 2002 12:58 AM
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Originally posted by SteveP:
Now, what about presenting the program to other stores? Will one Delegate kit be enough to present at multiple store? I assume yes, but do we need to report ALL stores we visit?
SteveP,
The reason you may want to report all the stores you visit is that you will earn one of the special Promos for each store you contact (as long as someone has not been there first). Then, if any of those stores sign up, you will get another copy of the Promo.
:: wonders what that promo will be ::
BDS ![[Big Grin]](../tcg/biggrin.gif)
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purity
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posted November 27, 2002 09:55 AM
i know its probable no one really cares about my opinion, and i daresay it's now a moot point, but.....well, a bunch of you went on and on about your hard work not being appreciated and how you're being 'punished' for caring about pokemon.....
personally i don't think ANYONE feels THAT particular pain like mtm. and he's been doing it for years.
come on, give him a break. he's doing the work of like, three people. i honestly don't know how he does it....in his position i'd have to slide with 'i have to go with what is going to make this job manageable' too. a lot of you guys know him and the other mt's personally. you know he's not out to 'punish' you. come on.....
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SteveP
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posted November 27, 2002 01:52 PM
purity, I for one certainly haven't "railed on" MTM. I'm not sure anyone else in this post has either. We've meerly mentioned what many of us feel to be a serious flaw in the Delegate Program.
Here's my point. We're debating one particular aspect of the Delegate Program. I hope that MTM doesn't take offense to this debate (and I highly doubt that he's taking offense).
Your remark that we feel punished doesn't mean we're pointing the finger at MTM. I challenge you to re-read the posts in this topic and point out instances where we've said this is MTM's fault. You won't find any.
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purity
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posted November 27, 2002 03:00 PM
[shrug] point to my post and say where i claimed anyone was blaming him.
i wanted to express my sympathy for his position, and maybe remind a few others that he works hard.
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DaytonGymLeader
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posted November 27, 2002 04:36 PM
Believe me, I understand the man's workload. Most of corporate America does. We, for two, thank the MTs in every personal type communication that we happen to send up Renton way. I believe the intent was a debate of sustainment versus development. None of this was a ding on MTM.
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Drakeo
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posted November 27, 2002 05:57 PM
Jealous of LizardOTC's collection? HA!
I'm surprised none of you have figured out where they are yet... I have ![[Devilish]](../tcg/graemlins/diablo.gif)
In a more on-topic note...
While this doesn't affect me either way because I'm not 18, so I won't be getting any credit for my work in promoting Battlezone either way(but still do it simply for the satisfaction of doing it), I would have to say that:
1) You don't HAVE to be rewarded for it BUT
2) they have decided to reward you for it SO
3) it's perfectly fair to want credit UNLESS
4) WoTC has a GOOD reason why you shouldn't AND
5) unless I've missed something, I don't see one.
I've seen it said that the idea is to expand Battlezone, but what about the stores that already run leagues? Without us telling them, they wouldn't know about it anyways. It's not like managers of card shops that you don't know will eat you. Selling them a new product is selling them a new product. Give credit where credit is due. It's not sustainment OR development, it's BOTH. Credit should be given for doing both, don't you think? It's not like it's payment due for services rendered, it's a way of thanking you for the things you do to help. Convincing a store to run battlezone, new store or old store, is still convincing a store to run battlezone. As for the credit before/after the time thing, it really isn't fair to withhold credit from those who got stores to sign up so quickly. As a matter of fact, they should be REWARDED MORESO for their enthusiasm to help before they even KNEW they would get anything for it. Just my thoughts ![[Smile]](../tcg/smile.gif)
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Pokesensei
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posted November 28, 2002 10:35 AM
Woohoo!Now we can get credit and earn the promo`s even if we run into time difficulties.I too,as Jared and others have said,will try go to additional stores and promote BZ.I`m just hoping that I will have the time but only time will tell.
Pure,of course we value your opinion.Don`t ever think otherwise. ![[Cool]](../tcg/cool.gif)
But just as you stated in your second post that you didn`t post anything about us blaming him,we didn`t post anything saying we didn`t appreciate what he does.Of course we do.There are few people that can claim that they do as much for Pokemon as he does.
Now,Steve and Steve summed it nicely and as Steve P said "Here's my point. We're debating one particular aspect of the Delegate Program. I hope that MTM doesn't take offense to this debate (and I highly doubt that he's taking offense)."That`s exactly it.We were addressing our concerns.We love Mike,but if we see something we feel needs to be fixed,we will bring it up here.After all,thats what this forum is for.
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