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mysterioustrainer

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posted January 24, 2003 11:18 PM      Profile for mysterioustrainer   Email mysterioustrainer    Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote  Report This Thread to Moderators
Professors, I need a tad bit of help. I am planning to really get into judging my own tournaments soon, and my first one is going to be a theme deck sealed event. First off, I so far have collected all Theme Decks necessary for the event, but some are newer ones with that 61th para-foil card, while some are not. Should I prohibit the use of that card since other players won't technically be able to get the same amount of cards otherwise? Second, I may not be able to use Legendary Boosters simply because I can't find it that much anymore. Is there an alternative booster (like Expedition) that would work? Also if anyone has any tips about Limited Events I'll sure take them. Thanks everybody.

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posted January 25, 2003 04:45 AM      Profile for enik7   Email enik7    Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote  Report This Thread to Moderators
First of all, let me tell you that theme deck challenge is a great way to draft pokemon, especially since it is so easy and not too expensive to run AND best of all allows you to provide awesome prize support. The first DCI-sanctioned theme deck challenge I ran a few months ago a was Team Rocket theme deck + 2 TR sealed draft ($10 entry fee). I think 9 players did the theme deck challenge, and about 4 others did a separate ($5 entry fee) modified tourney.

I had purchased the TR decks and packs at very cheap prices, so I was able to apply over $5 of each drafter's $10 entry fee toward prize support! I wanted to maximize prizes, but I needed to break even myself on the prizes I bought of course. It was a total success.

I was able to distribute among each of the players (at all my tournaments, even the last place players get at least 1 good booster pack):

Among 13 players I gave:

1 box of neo4, 8 expedition packs, 5 or 6 neo1 & neo3 rev. boosters = about 40 packs combined, plus the drafters also got their theme decks & packs. I also gave out LOTS of extra "goodies": a whole bunch of english promo cards from old league leftovers, a few japanese vending sheets, j. promos, and even some j. toys!

everyone was like: [Crowd] !!!!

I assumed (correctly) that offering generous prizes is the most effective way to attract more players to your tournaments. I used to have difficulty getting enough players to attend, but not since I started offering large tournament prizes. Theme Deck Challenges, from my experience, is the best way to collect a lot of money which you can use to pay for better tournament prizes.

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posted January 25, 2003 05:00 AM      Profile for ScythKing   Email ScythKing    Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote  Report This Thread to Moderators
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Originally posted by mysterioustrainer:
Second, I may not be able to use Legendary Boosters simply because I can't find it that much anymore. Is there an alternative booster (like Expedition) that would work? Also if anyone has any tips about Limited Events I'll sure take them. Thanks everybody.

Base set 2 would be a good one as you can find 'em real cheap (look on ebay) - but - according to the newly posted rules they specify 5 packs of Legendary for a sanctioned event. I'd like to know is this a suggestion or a rule?

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posted January 25, 2003 05:26 AM      Profile for enik7   Email enik7    Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote  Report This Thread to Moderators
I specifically asked MTM if it is *required* to do sealed draft with legendary, and he replied that you can do a sealed draft with other types of packs, but that it won't work nearly as well, since the LC packs were specially made to contain cards that go together, for the purpose of sealed draft. So you CAN do sealed with packs other than LC, but it won't be nearly as cool. Might as well just do standard booster drafts with your cheap base2 packs, or an alternative if you want to do sealed, is to run a "theme deck challenge." There is an article about this in Wizards' pokemon strategy archives. Give that a try - it's really a lot of fun.

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posted January 25, 2003 10:23 PM      Profile for mysterioustrainer   Email mysterioustrainer    Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote  Report This Thread to Moderators
quote:
Originally posted by ScythKing:
quote:
Originally posted by mysterioustrainer:
Second, I may not be able to use Legendary Boosters simply because I can't find it that much anymore. Is there an alternative booster (like Expedition) that would work? Also if anyone has any tips about Limited Events I'll sure take them. Thanks everybody.

Base set 2 would be a good one as you can find 'em real cheap (look on ebay) - but - according to the newly posted rules they specify 5 packs of Legendary for a sanctioned event. I'd like to know is this a suggestion or a rule?
What you are talking about is just Booster Sealed where Legendary is the only compatible format for it alone. In Theme Deck Sealed, 2 Boosters and a Theme Deck is the standard. Expedition I think is compatible to Theme Deck Sealed.

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posted January 26, 2003 06:37 PM      Profile for ScythKing   Email ScythKing    Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote  Report This Thread to Moderators
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Originally posted by mysterioustrainer:
[QBWhat you are talking about is just Booster Sealed where Legendary is the only compatible format for it alone. In Theme Deck Sealed, 2 Boosters and a Theme Deck is the standard. Expedition I think is compatible to Theme Deck Sealed.[/QB]

Maybe a semantical difference here but there is only one type of sealed deck event. From the DCI Pokemon Floor rules - 2003 season:
Limited Formats
ˇ Booster Draft
ˇ Rochester Draft
ˇ Sealed Deck
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234. Rules for Sealed Deck Tournaments
Before the first round, players may add as many basic Energy cards to their decks as desired; no maximum is imposed.
Each player should be given five booster packs of the Legendary Collection set for a Pokémon Sealed Deck event.
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I repeat, my question is; "is this a suggestion or etched in stone?".

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posted January 29, 2003 01:55 PM      Profile for enik7   Email enik7    Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote  Report This Thread to Moderators
You seem to need proof of what I already stated previously. See for yourself:

(excerpt from professor digest Sep.23-27, 2002)

-----Original Message-----
From: Brisbin, Mike [mailto:MBrisbin@kns.com]
Posted At: Monday, September 23, 2002 5:52 PM

Conversation: Questions about Drafting
Subject: Questions about Drafting

> 1) Is it allowed in Limited Sanctioned Pokemon tournaments to do =
sealed draft with any boosters other than LC packs?
=20

Yes it is though it won;t be very balanced due to the random energy =
types and evolutions that come in a standard booster pack. Each player =
must still be able to build a 40 card deck for any sort of limited play =
too. So if you used Expedition (9 card boosters), you would would =
probably want to give each player a minimum of 4 and preferably 5 or 6.

Sealed play means that players are given randomized product and build a =
40 card deck from it. You could also mix in random theme decks with =
boosters to do the same thing (Like the Theme Deck Challenges we have =
held), though this might be cost prohibitive.

=20
> 2) Is it allowed in Limited Sanctioned Pokemon to do regular draft =
with other than the recommended mix of booster packs, as listed in the =
current Pokemon floor rules?=20

Again, the answer is yes. The recommendations we have given are what =
R&D considers the best mix of our products. You can certainly use =
whatever mix of product you have available though again we do recommend =
you at least use the same number of booster packs even if you choose =
other products.=20

Thanks.

MTM

Edited: Removed the Prof's mailing address.

[ February 05, 2003, 01:46 PM: Message edited by: WizPog_BJJ ]

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posted January 29, 2003 07:30 PM      Profile for ScythKing   Email ScythKing    Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote  Report This Thread to Moderators
quote:
Originally posted by enik7:
You seem to need proof of what I already stated previously. See for yourself:

Yes I do need proof. They had a problem with the list and the digests for awhile so I missed out on that one. Seems strange that the rules sound so formal and they do not indicate that any deviation is allowed then in the list it's like "Oh yeah - use whatever ya have dude!".
Personally I'd rather use LC but it's hard to come by - I'd guess expedition would be the next best choice. I think the MT's need to post a suppliment to the floor rules spelling out the actual intent and leeway for the rules.

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posted February 05, 2003 12:43 PM      Profile for DMTM      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote  Report This Thread to Moderators
Which theme decks are you using is my first question?

That will determine what is best to use. If they are largely NEO theme decks then you can use Neo packs. Genesis is best. If it is a mix then it is more problematic.

Do not allow the use of the 61st card.

20 minutes to build the decks.

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posted February 05, 2003 01:33 PM      Profile for SteveP   Email SteveP    Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote  Report This Thread to Moderators
Quote from DMTM regarding theme decks with a reverse holo insert:

quote:
Do not allow the use of the 61st card.
I've not heard of that rule before. If that's official, you might want to update the Pokemon Floor Rules (PFR) to reflect this rule and any other rules relating to theme deck tournaments.

FYI, currently, there's nothing in the PFR about theme deck tournaments, but here's all the info from the PFR about sealed deck:

quote:
234. Rules for Sealed Deck Tournaments
Before the first round, players may add as many basic Energy cards to their decks as desired; no maximum is imposed.

Each player should be given five booster packs of the Legendary Collection set for a Pokémon Sealed Deck event.



[ February 05, 2003, 01:37 PM: Message edited by: SteveP ]

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posted February 05, 2003 02:12 PM      Profile for BJJ763   Email BJJ763    Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote  Report This Thread to Moderators
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Originally posted by DMTM:
Do not allow the use of the 61st card.

SteveP - makes sense to me - you are supposed to be given a deck and some boosters to create a deck with. A deck is 60 cards.

Rule(?) 63 of the UTR:
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Players who have an abnormal number of cards in the decks or booster packs they receive must inform the head judge, who may replace the deck or booster pack at his or her discretion in consultation with the tournament organizer. The head judge makes the final decision.
So 61 is an odd number of cards for a deck. But since the 61st is easily identifiable (and in this case, normal), it can be removed from the deck (as opposed to trying to find a Deck without that 61st card - "No, this Expedition deck has 61 cards. And this LC one does too. Even this Aquapolis one!"). I'd use that 61st card as prize support.

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posted February 05, 2003 07:56 PM      Profile for ScythKing   Email ScythKing    Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote  Report This Thread to Moderators
quote:
Originally posted by BJJ763:
quote:
Originally posted by DMTM:
Do not allow the use of the 61st card.

SteveP - makes sense to me - you are supposed to be given a deck and some boosters to create a deck with. A deck is 60 cards.

No, a sealed deck tourney is played with a 40 card deck, and for 4 prizes. You get the theme deck and the boosters, 20 minutes and basic energy to create your 40 card deck.

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posted February 07, 2003 01:09 PM      Profile for DMTM      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote  Report This Thread to Moderators
We present Sealed deck from the position of the ideal situation. After that it is just advice to make your event go as smoothly as possible. There is no "Official" way other then the amount of Boosters, a Theme deck, the amount of cards in the deck, and tournament play.

The ideal scenario is to use Theme decks from one of the group of sets here.
1.Red & Blue
2. Neo
3. E-card.
Then use boosters from coresponding sets.

IF you cannot do that and have to mix the group of sets, here is what you should do for the best results.

Make sure all the theme decks have the same amount of cards. (hence throwing out the 61st)

Mix as few of the three types of theme decks as possible.

Give out boosters from both types of decks you are offering. This means if you are doing Theme decks from E-card and Neo you give everyone one of each Neo and E-card boosters. Do not give them seperate boosters.

Hope this all was clear. Will be happy to address any more issues if you have them.

DMTM

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Did an Aquapolis theme deck draft this weekend. Worked out great! both of those decks are overpowering in their own right.

How I have been deciding which deck players get is to have them pick a card (energy). for Aquapolis I used a fire card for the Ninetails/Kingdra Deck, and a Fighting card from the Nidoking deck!

Everyone got two boosters and the random theme deck. Advice, do NOT mix the expedition theme decks with previous theme decks. They are far too powerful and will overwhelm older theme decks. Had several players who opened their packs, said "that's nice" and proceeded to only play with cards they found in their theme decks (3 out of 12 players did this!)

The highlight of the draft was when Swanton1717 (who needs a nifty new nickname) (who also won the tourney) opened a pack that contained both a Nidoking and a reverse holo Nidoking! Unfortunately, he picked the Kingdra/Ninetails deck, so he did not use either. Had he had the Nidoking deck, I think the tourney would have been over immediately.

The best part was, a lot of people found "usable" reverse holos in their decks.

It was a lot of fun. At least I can play in the SBZ! (not judge!) [Evil Smirk] See you on the boards!

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