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Topic: D. Dragon questions with Hyper Devo Spray
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Purple_Nurple
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posted April 15, 2003 02:20 PM
Ok I have a D. Nair on the Bench and use its power. Same turn evolve to D. Nite and use its power. The nHyper Devo Spray it.. can I use D. Nairs Power again as it was Evolved then Devolved erasing the once per turn effect due to evolution???
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Spectreon
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posted April 15, 2003 02:52 PM
Sorry, straight from Compendium
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Q. I know this might seem weird, but if I had Dark Dragonair out, could I use Evolutionary Light, then evolve it to Dark Dragonite, use Summon Minions, and then use Devolution Spray on it, can I use Evolutionary Light again?
A. No you can't. (Nov 2, 2000 WotC Chat, Q376)
DOH!!!!
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yoshi1001
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posted April 15, 2003 03:16 PM
Oh, if only it were so clear-cut. FTC:
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Q. Some players maintain that benching Blastoise and then reactivating it will allow a second use of Jet Stream. Can you explain why this is, or is not, correct?
A. That does not work. Just like the old Gengar's Curse ruling, benching something does NOT end the "once per turn" limitation. Now if you used it, then devolved it and then reevolved it, then it is a different Pokemon and could use its ability. (Jan 30, 2003 WotC Chat, Q738)
Now, ignoring the fact that you can't re-evolve a Pokemon you de-evolved in the same turn, this seems to suggest once during your turn poweres are reset by evolving and devolving.
For some particular reason, I remember there being a more solid ruling that refuted the one Spectreon posted. I'll see if I can find it.
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MrGrass
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posted April 15, 2003 04:12 PM
I believe the devolve/re-evolve effect is talking about a situation like devolving a pokemon and evolving another into the same one. Like say you've got 2 Dratinis, one of which is evolved into Dark Dragonair. You could use the power, devolve it, and then evolve the other Dratini and use the power.
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yoshi1001
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posted April 15, 2003 04:26 PM
Here we are FTC:
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* ANY Pokemon attack or Power that can only be used once per turn, is reset if that Pokemon evolves or devolves or leaves play and that power or attack could be used again if that Pokemon came into play again that same turn. The "can't use this attack next turn" sets up a status effect that can be ended through the normal means: benching, leaving play, evolving or devolving. In each of these cases it is no longer the same Pokemon and so it gets around the once per turn or not usuable next turn effects. With Pokemon Powers though, you can't get around the once per turn by benching. Benching a Pokemon does NOT get around these effects as they are still the same Pokemon and still in play. [Ed.Note: This does not apply to Tentacool Lv.10 (Fossil) which specifically states in the text of the power that it cannot be used on the same turn it comes into play.] (Sep 27, 2001 WotC Chat, after-Q53; Feb 14, 2002 WotC Chat, Q18; May 23, 2002 WotC Chat, Q266)
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Purple_Nurple
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posted April 16, 2003 06:14 AM
Woohoo Yoshi!!! Thanks a tons... I smell a new Combo for my decks... ok, maybe not new, but it is to me. Can anyone say that you can have Two Elm's Training Method and a Pokemon Fan club all in the same turn!!!! Do it Back to Back and your Bench is full and going!!! Woo hoo... not what deck to use it in..
Hmmm.. Spectreon will be seeing this in the near Future!!!
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posted April 16, 2003 11:41 AM
Thanx Yosh, I disagreed with that ruling, but when I looked up the specific Pokemon Power: Evolutionairy Light, this question/answer was there. I couldnt understand why th answer was the way it was, just that it was there. You chould be able to evolve/de-evolve and reuse Pokemon Powers, it is the same as Scoop up and Playing again, or Unevolving, and re-evolving Zubat/Dark Golbat.
But with a specific question/answer on Compendium, how do you errata it? If someone was to do what I did, it would come back you couldnt reuse power
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yoshi1001
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posted April 16, 2003 01:02 PM
FTC:
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Note, however, although we try to be accurate, we are not responsible for any inaccuracies that may have crept into the work. If you believe you have found one, we certainly would be happy to have it brought to our attention so that we can verify it and correct it, if needed. Please read our FAQ first, however, before sending us any correspondence.
From the TC website FAQ:
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Rules Questions
Q. Hey man, I think you made a mistake in your rulings! How can I let you guys know?
A. All of our rulings are direct from Wizards of the Coast. If you believe there has been an error, please make sure that you have the latest version. Our Rules Compendium is updated periodically but we do not have a fixed schedule so if your version doesn't incorporate the latest chats then please wait for the latest chats to be included before informing us of the possible error. If, after you've read the latest Rules Compendium and still believe we've made an error, please contact us via pokesensei([email protected]).
There are a few other errors in the compendium, by the way. Most of them are just bad examples, but a few are actual bad rulings such as this:
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Q. If an attack discards Rocket's Hideout causing a KO, is that an "attack causing the KO" for Focus Band purposes?
A. No it is not. The Pokemon was knocked out due to a game state effect (more damage than HP), not from damage done by the attack. (Oct 18, 2001 WotC Chat, Q9)
This is refuted by this:
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Q. If Dark Golduck has no damage and a Rocket's Hideout is in play, and Brock's Primape uses Mega Thrash, would Focus Band be activated?
A. Yes, it would. [ED. NOTE: The Mega Thrash attack causes the Stadium in play to be discarded]. (Nov 29, 2001 WotC Chat, Q55)
There are a few more of these, as I recall.
[ April 16, 2003, 01:11 PM: Message edited by: yoshi1001 ]
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Purple_Nurple
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posted April 16, 2003 01:06 PM
So do I go by yours Yosh or yours Spec... hmmm ... I like Yosh ruling find better ![[ROFL]](../tcg/graemlins/roflmao.gif)
So you are just saying the ruling was wrong as the Evolve Devolve of the POkemon changes the Status of the card... therefopre resetting the Power...
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yoshi1001
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posted April 16, 2003 01:15 PM
In general you go with the more recent ruling. In this case that would be mine.
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posted April 16, 2003 01:48 PM
Is thisin the Compendium or from the Chat boards.. couldnt find it on the Compendium...
And a Big thanks to the letters Y-O-S-H-and I.
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posted April 16, 2003 08:25 PM
Yes Thank you Yoshi, now I know I was right, even though I thought I was wrong. It is what I origanally told ole Nurple, but then found under Evo Light this bad answer. But I agree, since Yoshi's find is newer than mine, I would have to go with Yoshi's find too. Maybe I should try it in a deck to counter Nurps........ ![[Devilish]](../tcg/graemlins/diablo.gif) Maybe with Ttar and Dark Ttar... hmmmmm
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Porygone3
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posted April 18, 2003 09:14 AM
what about normal devloution spray or the undersea ruins.. if that pokemon was not evolved that turn I see no reasion that you could not evolve it again that turn once you devolved it- sure devolving makes status effects go away (just like evolving) but does that really mean that devolving should count as evolving? not unless the card says (this counts as evolving) I'm doing this off memory so i dont rember if eather cards I said (Undersea ruins, Devoultion Spray) say "counts as evolving" but if they don't then.. um its still "costing" you something (in the form of discarding an evolution) so yadada its not that bad...
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posted April 19, 2003 09:55 AM
Actually I posted about that a while back, *Using Devo Spray or Under Sea Ruins would it count as evolving.* The answer I got was that devolving a Pokemon still counts as evolving it wether the card says so or not.
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