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RaindanceKing
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posted March 31, 2002 09:27 PM      Profile for RaindanceKing   Email RaindanceKing    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
I dont know if this should be in the SCSR section, but I just thought, say you had a tourney SWISS style, but only 8 people showed up, so everyone's automatically in T8. If a person had no basics in his/her deck(technically it IS legal I believe?), then who would win the that single elim match in T8?? You can't give them a draw because its single elim... What happens?? I know this would like never happen, but it is, in theory, possible. Any ideas, Judges, anyone? Or will the mods just lock this because of extreme complexity? lol.
-RDK

[ March 31, 2002, 09:28 PM: Message edited by: RaindanceKing ]

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MonkeyMan8889
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posted March 31, 2002 09:52 PM      Profile for MonkeyMan8889   Email MonkeyMan8889    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Um WTF kind of moron would play no basics? NOBODY dont ask questions that dont have a point.
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posted April 01, 2002 03:05 AM      Profile for lvirden   Email lvirden    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Most tournaments will have a deck check. During deck check, the judge would be expected to determine whether the deck was legal according to the tournament rules. I believe that a deck must be able to be playable, which means at least one basic.

Anyways, if the deck had no basics, the player could only win if their opponent drew 1-2 cards during each mulligan. I would expect that most good players, after drawing 2 or 3 times, would stop drawing. After the time limit was up for the match, I would expect the judges to rule in favor of the person coming to play as opposed to the person whom came to try to deck someone.

But then, I would also expect the judges never to allow such a thing occur anyways at the time of the deck check.

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posted April 01, 2002 10:12 AM      Profile for DaytonGymLeader   Email DaytonGymLeader    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Ah yes, the muligan deck. Here's my interpretation:

Pokemon Rule Book V6 (this is paraphrased):
quote:
A dekc must contain 60 cards with no more than 4 copies of any card, with the exception of basic Energy.
Nothing stated about the number of Pokemon.

From the UTR:
quote:
43. Slow Play
Players must take their turns in a timely fashion. Playing too slowly or stalling for time is not acceptable. If a judge determines that a player is playing excessively slowly at any point during the tournament, the responsible player will be subject to the appropriate provisions of the DCI Penalty Guidelines.

Can you see where I'm going here?

From the UPG:
quote:
141. Slow Play—Playing Slowly

Definition
Players who take longer than is reasonably required to complete game actions are engaging in slow play. If a judge believes that a player is intentionally playing slowly to take advantage of a time limit, that player is guilty of stalling (section 162).

Philosophy
Slow-play penalties do not require a judge to determine whether a player is intentionally stalling. All players have the responsibility to play quickly enough so that their opponents are not at a significant disadvantage because of the time limit.

Penalty
No extra time should be included with the penalty unless a lengthy ruling occurred (see the Universal Tournament Rules, section 18). If slow play has significantly affected the result of the match, the judge should upgrade the penalty as appropriate.

Slow Play—Playing Slowly
REL 1 REL 2 REL 3 REL 4 REL 5
Caution Caution Warning Warning Warning
CLIP

162. Cheating—Stalling

Definition
A player intentionally plays slowly in order to take advantage of the time limit. Refer to section 161 for unintentional slow play.

Philosophy
If it is clear that a player is stalling, he or she should face a serious penalty.

Penalty

Cheating—Stalling
REL 1 REL 2 REL 3 REL 4 REL 5
Match Match Match DQ DQ

It's all about intent.
Is the deck leagal? Yes
Is the play style leagal? Yes, as decking is a valid game win state
Is this deck designed to make game play slow and painful? Yes - therefore, Cheating-Stalling penalties should be imposed - Warning - Prize - Game - DQ

There should also be a talk between this player and the judge to ensure that the player understands the full scope of what is going on. If this is noticed before the event begins (via deck list), then the player should be strongly encouraged to change his/her deck to make it playable.

[ April 01, 2002, 10:39 AM: Message edited by: DaytonGymLeader ]

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Big Daddy Snorlax

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posted April 01, 2002 10:39 AM      Profile for Big Daddy Snorlax   Email Big Daddy Snorlax    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
There is another problem with your initial assumption about everyone being in the T8. If you has a Swiss style tournament and only 8 players enter, you will not cut to T8. You would most likely play the Swiss rounds and then either determine a winner on points, or cut to T4 or T2 for the single elimination round(s).

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posted April 01, 2002 12:28 PM      Profile for RaindanceKing   Email RaindanceKing    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Hmmm, my April Fools joke didnt go as well as I'd hoped. Got cut off kinda quick.

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Oregon QT Oct. 13: 1st
WCSTS Day 1: Top 8
Worlds: 26th
Aqua Oregon SBZ: 2nd - 15+ Champ
Sky Oregon SBZ: 2nd - 15+ Champ (notice a trend?)
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Trading Referals: Crobat1, Moggie19, Oak

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Big Daddy Snorlax

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posted April 01, 2002 12:34 PM      Profile for Big Daddy Snorlax   Email Big Daddy Snorlax    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Well, the point of an April Fools prank is to get people to believe you and respond accordingly. In that sense you got a few of us to bite. It is a little too close to reality to get the extreme response you were perhaps hoping for.

: Looks at a couple of other Topics posted this morning :

BDS [Big Grin]

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