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Topic: Rapid Spin and Promo Mew
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CmonIWanaPLaYa
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posted May 27, 2003 06:38 AM
the argument came up this weekend about rapid Spin and Mew. In one chat log, it was stated that Mew doesn't get affected but the Spinning (Evolved) pokemon can go back to the bench. TPC has it that Mew and the defending stay in position.. so which is true??
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BJJ763
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posted May 27, 2003 07:37 AM
Who it TTPC? Since the going to the Bench by the Evolved Pokémon is not happening to Mew, Mew doesn't stop it so it goes to the Bench.
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posted May 27, 2003 07:53 AM
This is what I found under Donphan Rapid Spin in the compendium:
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Q. Does Rapid Spin from a non basic pokemon toward lilypad mew let the opponent's Rapid Spin pokemon switch?
A. No. Switching up from the bench is still considered affecting the active. So no switching in this case. (Feb 13, 2003 WotC Chat, Q949)
Q. If I have a promo Mew [with Neutral Shield] on my bench and my opponent uses Rapid Spin, can I intentionally choose Mew so I don't have to switch Pokemon?
A. Yes. (May 1, 2003 WotC Chat, Q1440)
So I guess that is the last ruling.. the chat log I was referring to was before this ruling. But here is a question combining the 2 above.. If I Rapid Spin adn they pick Mew on their bench.. do I still get to switch since I didn't originally target Mew fro the Attack?? This is the other question.. they chose Mew so as to not change their Active.. but does that effect my active as well since the original attack was not against Mew??
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yoshi1001
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posted May 27, 2003 08:09 AM
No, you would still switch. Remembder, Mew only affects effects of attacks done to Mew. Any other effects still happen.
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NoPoke
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posted May 27, 2003 08:14 AM
Drat! Tthose rulings have me confused.
So how many scenarios are there....
1) Rapid Spin their active, No mews involved
2) Rapid spin their active lilypad mew.
3) Rapid Spin their active: they select lilypad mew on the bench.
4) Rapid spin their active: you select your lilypad mew on your bench.
5) rapid Spin their active lilypad mew: you select your lilypad mew also.
And now the Qeustions.
Case 1) No mews so this is easy!
Case 2) Q1:Do you still get to switch?
Case 3) Q2:Can they select their lilypad mew if they have an alternate benched pokemon that would allow the switch part of the attack to procede?
Case 3) Q3: If they elect their benched Mew do you still get to switch?
Case 4) Q4: They switch, then you don't if you select your own mew?
Case 4) Q5: If you have benched pokemon as well as mew do you *have* to select one that can be switched?
Case 5) no a lot happens! LOL unless you aren't allowed to select your mew ... ARGH! make that Q6!
I think that is all possible scenarios...
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yoshi1001
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posted May 27, 2003 09:16 AM
1. You both switch
2. You switch
3. The can choose mew regardless of their bench, you still switch.
4. They switch
5. You can both choose your mew regardless of your other benched pokemon. If you both do so, no one switches.
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CmonIWanaPLaYa
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posted May 27, 2003 09:33 AM
I agree with you Yoshi, but the Compendium says that the Rapid Spinning Pokemon can't switch.. does this need to be clarified more on the ruling?
If so, the questions NP asked I think is all the scenarios.. just to recap
Q1.) If you have an evolved Pokemon with the Rapid Spin attack, and the opponent has an Active Promo Mew, does the Pokemon with the rapid Spin attack get to switch with a benched pokemon? Currently the compendium says NO.
Q2.) IF your opponent has a benched Mew and you use the Rapid Spin attack from an evolved pokemon, do you still get to switch your evolved pokemon with one of your benched pokemon if they choose their benched Mew? (The attack was not directed at Mew or done to Mew the opponent chose their benched Mew.)
Q3.) If you have a benched Mew and use the Rapid Spin attack from an evolved Pokemon, can you choose your benched Promo Mew to keep your evolved Pokemon Active?
I think that covers the 3 main scenarios. this topic spurred a 30 minute discussion *cough*argument*cough* between several professors and players at SBZ. Could someone bring these scenarios upat the next chat.. which is what time/ day again.. so that some clarity is brought to the subject. Thanks!!!
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posted May 27, 2003 10:38 AM
To clarify my confusion....
ref q949.. it is not clear to me if the question is posed from my having the mew and being on the recieving end of the Rapid Spin. Or my doing the Rapid Spin to my opponents mew.
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yoshi1001
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posted May 27, 2003 12:34 PM
Actually, you'll notice the numbers I used correspond to the case, not question numbers.
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posted May 27, 2003 02:38 PM
Well, I agree with Yosh as well, but PLaYa, you already knew that. Having been involved in this discussion (*cough*Arguement*cough*) this is what I argued. I also argued that the question didnt really clarify if Mew is opponents, or if it is yours. We finally gave up on the arguemetn, and decided to let the judge decide from itself.
this is my question though... Since Rapid Spin say your Opponent chooses and switches first, then you do the same.... then maybe since your opponents Mew doesnt switch, maybe yours cant but this doesnt seem very likely. It is the only reason, however, that I can see that Donphan or Forretress would not switch.
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posted May 27, 2003 04:45 PM
Just my 2 cents straight from the ruling:
If i said rapid spin pokemon, what do you think of?- fortress, donphan, hitmontop.
All have the attack rapid spin. Therefore are rapid spin pokemon . The question classifies a group of pokemon that has the rapid spin attack.
Not that the active pokemon (both) are rapid spun.
With that said and known, the answer is stated that mew and the apponent don't switch. Well at least i see it that clear from the writing in the ruling or is it because i have a deck that uses mew?
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posted May 27, 2003 09:50 PM
This is what caused the arguement
I dnt think the question was worded well enough to justify the answer.
Mew only prevents effects to itself, since when is Donphan or forretress using RS to go back to bech effecting Mew. IT DOES NOT!!!! in any way effect Mew
Like I said, the only reason I can see it is rulled RSing Poekmon doesnt go to becnh, is because of the player 1 does it first, then.... and since player one does not, maybe player 2 doesnt either. It is the only thing that would make any sense.
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posted May 28, 2003 05:39 AM
Right, because Mew cannot be rapid spunned(being benched from an evolved pokemon's attack) therefore leaving the pokemon who did the rapid spin attack not being able to complete their attack (benching themselves). Card does say your opponnet switches first.
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posted May 28, 2003 06:05 AM
That is why I asked the 3 questions guys and gals.. for clarification.. that isjust too funny Nancy!! I am just being Neutral in this thing, The Compendium does rule on if Mew is Active, but it doesn't rule on if Mew was on the Bench, does the RSing Pokemon get to switch.. technically, the opponent with Mew on the bench "Chose" Mew as to not go to the bench, but they did choose a Pokemon, so therefore that part of the attack is resolved, so IMO, the RSing Pokemon should get to be switched do to the opponent "choosing" Mew Which is a continuation of the attack. I htink it best to let the questions be asked accordingly during the chat so to clarify anything. Not saying anyone is wrong, just saying that clarification of the wording is necessary.
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NoPoke
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posted May 28, 2003 06:41 AM
Argh there is A Question 7
Q7) What Happens if you rapid spin and your opponent has no bench. They can't switch does this mean that you can't either?
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posted May 28, 2003 06:53 AM
Ok, got my own name now so hubby doesn't get bashed. ![[Smile]](../tcg/smile.gif)
Actually there was an addition added to the Mew ruling against rapid spin attacks. If Mew is on my bench I can choose to choose Her and not switch my active Pokemon. The judges had it there at SBZ if the issue came up.
About if there's no Bench- What does the card acutally say? (Does it say if your opponnet has a bench or does it say your opponnet?) It's all in the wording and even then there is disagreement on how to Say it.
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posted May 28, 2003 07:04 AM
Understadn first that I am just trying to get clarification of these issues for not just me, but it seems other players that use Mew adn/or Rapid Spin decks.. I just think there is too much possibility for interpretation/dispute and not specified information on the Spinning portion..
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Q. If I have a promo Mew [with Neutral Shield] on my bench and my opponent uses Rapid Spin, can I intentionally choose Mew so I don't have to switch Pokemon?
A. Yes. (May 1, 2003 WotC Chat, Q1440)
So you don't have to switch, but it doesn't say anything about the RSing pokemon.. this is what I meant by clarification. It doesn't mention the Pokemon that initiated the attack or whether it can be switched or not. Just that you don't have too.
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posted May 28, 2003 07:11 AM
Na, I just didn't want people thinking My words were coming out of his mouth. I'm not sure what it is listed under, But it was right at the end with the additions and updates about Skyridge cards.
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posted May 28, 2003 07:16 AM
I know, we are the same way.. it is fun though.. makes people think about what they are doing adn have to create strategy adn actually use original decks instead of the archetypes.. ![[Evil Smirk]](../tcg/graemlins/Up_to.gif)
And I was just teasing about the account thing!!
What I am concerned the most about is when Nintendo takes over, what are they going to do about rulings likes this.. scrap it and start over or what!!
Can't wait for 2-on-2 battles!!!
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posted May 28, 2003 07:25 AM
http://pkcompendium.hypermart.net/compendium/rulings_compendium.shtml#ppowers
It's under Pokemon Powers- Neutral Shield
Q. Does Rapid Spin from a non basic pokemon toward lilypad mew let the opponent's Rapid Spin pokemon switch?
A. No. Switching up from the bench is still considered affecting the active. So no switching in this case. (Feb 13, 2003 WotC Chat, Q949)
Q. If I have a promo Mew [with Neutral Shield] on my bench and my opponent uses Rapid Spin, can I intentionally choose Mew so I don't have to switch Pokemon?
A. Yes. (May 1, 2003 WotC Chat, Q1440)
Most likely or very soon after they'll just scrap it and make Nintendo on.
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CmonIWanaPLaYa
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posted May 28, 2003 07:30 AM
Yeah, I found them too. *See above*
See what I mean about the vagueness of it though. Mentions Mew, but not the initiator of the attack. Oh well..
The few emails I have gotten from Pokemon USA state that they are going to try adn incorporate the current rulings and erase all older rulings that have been changed or overruiled so as to not have mass confusion as there is now. Which is true. If something has been overruled, why not delete it eventually so there isn't the problems of continued readingof the polder ruling adn missing hte current one?!?
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posted May 28, 2003 07:38 AM
The reason the older rulings are not deleted is because someone might remember the older ruling as "current" and go to use that older ruling as a reference only to find out it has been overruled. Overruled rulings use to be marked with an "****overruled****" or some other indicator but looks like overrulings look more like an announcement under whatever topic the controversy was under (reference "Crystal Body Suicune").
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posted May 28, 2003 07:42 AM
What it all boils down to is- In actual terms- Fortress and Donphan are Evolved pokemon, they cannot use their attacks at all when Mew is the Active Pokemon!! That's why I think they ruled the RS attacker cannot switch because they CANNOT attack Mew. No worrie's- There's many cards out there to get around her!
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posted May 28, 2003 08:17 AM
I agree that if She is active, the attacks damage does nothing and i suppose you have a point abouthte active not getting to spin back to the bench do to the effect not going through Mew first..
I am just wondering about if Mew is benched and then chosen.. that one is vague on wether the RSing poke gets to switch out or not...
and isn't that the truth.. quote:
History repeats itself everyday.
at least we aren't turning red and getting verbose like it was on Sunday.. Oy Vay ![[Roll Eyes]](../tcg/rolleyes.gif) ... cooler heads shall prevail ![[Wink]](../tcg/wink.gif)
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posted May 28, 2003 08:25 AM
easy answer!
anything that effect mew (damage,effect or whatever)from evolve pokemon does nothing to mew except for these attacks
feint attack(unless mew is active pokemon)
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