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Payne_Mage
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posted December 22, 2002 11:01 AM
I played Pokemon for a while when it first came out and a few expansions after that, up to Rocket, I think...
But I had a question on restrictions in tournaments. Is there anything stopping you from using a base set Scyther, for example, in the same deck as a newer Scyther with the same name? I believe the rule is "limit of 4 copies of any given card according to it's name", so theoretically you could use 4 different "Scyther"'s in your deck in any format, right?
So Pokemon has no restrictions on expansions as of now?
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Bo_Dragon
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posted December 22, 2002 11:18 AM
quote: Originally posted by Payne_Mage: I played Pokemon for a while when it first came out and a few expansions after that, up to Rocket, I think...
But I had a question on restrictions in tournaments. Is there anything stopping you from using a base set Scyther, for example, in the same deck as a newer Scyther with the same name? I believe the rule is "limit of 4 copies of any given card according to it's name", so theoretically you could use 4 different "Scyther"'s in your deck in any format, right?
You cannot use Scyther (Jungle) in MMF; however, you can use Scyther (Jungle) in unlimited.
quote: Originally posted by Payne_Mage: So Pokemon has no restrictions on expansions as of now?
The following sets are restricted in MMF:
Base
Jungle
Fossil
Team Rocket
Gym Heroes
Gym Challenge
Base 2 (rerelease of cards from Base and Jungle)
The following cards are restricted in MMF:
__________'s Pikachu (the card known as Birthday Pikachu)
Ancient Mew
Sneasel (Neo Genesis)
Black Star promos #1 - #22
Slowking (Neo Genesis) (as of Jan 2003) [ December 22, 2002, 11:47 AM: Message edited by: Bo_Dragon ]
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Super Celebi
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posted December 22, 2002 11:27 AM
Also, the "same name" rule still applies. You cannot play 4 Scyther (Neo Discovery) and 4 Scyther (Neo Destiny) in the same deck. You can, however, play two of each, though.
"Same name" only counts exactly. You could play a deck with 4 Pikachu (Expedition), 4 Surfing Pikachu (Promo), and 4 Flying Pikachu (Promo), as they all are considered to have different names.
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Payne_Mage
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posted December 22, 2002 11:31 AM
quote: Originally posted by Super Celebi: Also, the "same name" rule still applies. You cannot play 4 Scyther (Neo Discovery) and 4 Scyther (Neo Destiny) in the same deck. You can, however, play two of each, though.
"Same name" only counts exactly. You could play a deck with 4 Pikachu (Expedition), 4 Surfing Pikachu (Promo), and 4 Flying Pikachu (Promo), as they all are considered to have different names.
But what I mean was "are there formats where you can't use a base Scyther, for example, in the same deck as a later Scyther with the same name."
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Super Celebi
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posted December 22, 2002 11:35 AM
There are. It's called Unlimited.
Bo_Dragon, Legendary Collection is legal in Modified as it came out after Neo Destiny. It doesn't matter if the cards are reprints. In fact, Modified has the "previously printed" rule. If a Modified-legal card is a reprint of an earlier card, you can use earlier versions of that card in Modified. For example, you could use one Base Set Charizard, one Base Set 2 Charizard, and two Legendary Collection Charizard in the same Modified-legal deck because Legendary Collection is a legal expansion and the Charizard is a reprint of the Base Set edition (reprinted in both Base Set 2 and Legendary Collection).
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Bo_Dragon
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posted December 22, 2002 11:37 AM
quote: Originally posted by Payne_Mage: But what I mean was "are there formats where you can't use a base Scyther, for example, in the same deck as a later Scyther with the same name."
You cannot use Scyther (Jungle), what you are calling the base Scyther, in modified (MMF).
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Payne_Mage
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posted December 22, 2002 12:01 PM
quote: Originally posted by Bo_Dragon: quote: Originally posted by Payne_Mage: But what I mean was "are there formats where you can't use a base Scyther, for example, in the same deck as a later Scyther with the same name."
You cannot use Scyther (Jungle), what you are calling the base Scyther, in modified (MMF).
Yes, I'm sorry, I meant Jungle. You caught it before I could edit...
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posted December 22, 2002 05:08 PM
What the "protection rule" means is that you can use earlier versions of the same card for modified format, so you don't have to spend extra money for cards you already have.
For example, base ponyta can be used in modified format, even though base is banned. This is beacause of the Legendary Collection set that just came out. The exact same ponyta was used in the expansion. However, you cannot use Rocket ponyta, even though they have the same name, they are not the same card. Therefore, rocket ponyta is banned.
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Super Celebi
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posted December 22, 2002 05:21 PM
I wouldn't have used the TR Ponyta anyway.
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posted December 22, 2002 08:34 PM
Oh, and it's MF. There is NO such thing as MMF. Sanctioned Constructed tournaments are either Unlimited or Modified Format. MF stands for Modified Format. To get the best understanding of the different Pokémon formats, read the Pokémon floor rules by clicking on "2002-2003 Pokémon Floor Rules" after clicking HERE!
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Super Celebi
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posted December 23, 2002 07:45 AM
The MMF abbreviation came when the changes to MF were announced, while Rocket On! was still MF. Of course, the MMF abbreviation should be dead.
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posted December 23, 2002 12:45 PM
Ok, since you play Magic, basically Modified (aka MMF as described by Bo_Dragon) is the Type 2 of Pokemon. Right now, only Neo block, Expedition block, and Legendary Collection (kinda like 7th Edition) are legal. Sneasel, Ancient Mew, and Birthday Pikachu are banned. Slowking is banned as well starting January 1st. Oh and promos #1-20 are banned as well.
You're right about the 4 of a card rule. You can only use 4 of a card named "Scyther", regardless of its expansion.
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PokePop
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posted December 23, 2002 02:15 PM
Unlike Magic, you not only look at the name, but also the Level of the Pokemon to determine if it's the "same" card for reprint purposes. So, while you follow the name rule for number in your deck, it's really "name & level" for legality.
Hope that helps.
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GymLeaderPhil
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posted December 23, 2002 03:55 PM
quote: Originally posted by PokePop: Unlike Magic, you not only look at the name, but also the Level of the Pokemon to determine if it's the "same" card for reprint purposes. So, while you follow the name rule for number in your deck, it's really "name & level" for legality.
Hope that helps.
That is unless it has no level printed on it... which will be quite a problem if Expedition ever gets a reprint... -Phil
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posted December 23, 2002 04:28 PM
Then you must (gasp) read the card.
Seeing as the card was already released in english at that point...
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posted December 23, 2002 08:12 PM
Well, Expedition does have those little code numbers on them... I hope they will stay consistant if they are reprinted.
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The Dark Llama
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posted December 30, 2002 09:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by Bo_Dragon:
quote: Originally posted by Payne_Mage: So Pokemon has no restrictions on expansions as of now?
The following sets are restricted in MMF:
The following cards are restricted in MMF:
__________'s Pikachu (the card known as Birthday Pikachu)
Ancient Mew
Sneasel (Neo Genesis)
Black Star promos #1 - #22
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I was told that WoTC only banned Promos 1-20, which is true? 20 or 22?
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posted December 31, 2002 09:18 AM
Black Star Promo #1 to #20 are not allowed in Modified format. Black Star Promo #21 and up or the new "Best" promo are allowed.
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posted January 03, 2003 05:11 PM
All black star promos numbered 21 onwards are tournament legal as are 'best of' promos as they come out.Of course this will change again(presumably in September) when(my guess) neo genesis,discovery and revelation will rotate out.
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