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Meganium45

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posted October 11, 2002 11:38 AM      Profile for Meganium45   Email Meganium45    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
How does strength charm work with pokemon like Dark Raichu and Murkrow??

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BJJ763

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posted October 11, 2002 11:43 AM      Profile for BJJ763   Email BJJ763    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
If an attack does damage to a Pokémon, the attack does 10 more damage. So for Murkrow, if it's Feint Attacking the Bench, it will do 30 instead of 20 (KO's a baby). With Dark Raichu, if you get heads on Surprise Thunder, it will do 20 or 30 damage to every Benched Pokémon, depending on the second coin flip!

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posted October 11, 2002 08:05 PM      Profile for MajinEminem2k3   Email MajinEminem2k3    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
You could use that example or...

Pichu attacks with Zzzzap and opponent has Elekid benched. It dies because Strength Charm adds 10 to the damage so, it would be 30 Damage to every Pokemon with Pokemon Power. If your opponent had multiple Elekids/Igglybuffs on the bench they would all die from 1 Zzzap. [Wink]

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SteveP

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posted October 11, 2002 09:43 PM      Profile for SteveP   Email SteveP    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Personally, I expect this ruling to be reversed soon, because the Japanese version only adds damage to either/both of the Active Poke'men'. So, take advantage NOW of the increased bench damage that Strength Charm can inflict.

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Pokidad

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posted October 11, 2002 11:49 PM      Profile for Pokidad   Email Pokidad    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
SteveP,

I saw the ruling on this one and I hoep t gets reverse. I would think it acts like the Plus Power, however, that card specifically states the defending Pokemon, this card says nothing. Normally when the card is silent, it implies only the Defending Pokemon. I guess we play it as doing damage to the bench until we hear otherwise. [Roll Eyes]

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posted October 12, 2002 05:06 PM      Profile for ShadowCard      Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
I hope the ruling doesn't get reversed. For those who think this card is too powerful, there are other cards that are more powerful to worry about. Besides, adding to bench damage is what makes the card unique. Otherwise, it yould just be a pluspower that can damage you.

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SteveP

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posted October 12, 2002 10:57 PM      Profile for SteveP   Email SteveP    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Pokidad quote:

quote:
Normally when the card is silent, it implies only the Defending Pokemon.
I hear what you're saying. It's kind of like when you attack benched Pokemon. If there's no mention of weakness and resistance (W&R), the default is: W&R don't apply.

Although I personally don't like the ruling (because it doesn't match the Japanese version), after careful consideration, I don't think the card is broken - just situationally powerful. I've started to playtest the card with various bench-hitting Pokemon, and the card's effectiveness depends significantly on the situation.

Strength Charm works very effectively with Pichu against PP-intensive decks (highly situational).

It works great with Dark Raichu (if you flip heads).

It's very nice with E-set Graveler (but who really uses Golem-line decks these days).

It's pretty good with Light Lanturn decks at getting 2-prize KO's when your opponent is least suspecting it (but your opponent usually won't be fooled again after you've pulled this stunt once).

Furthermore, you can't stack-up Strenght Charms like you can Plus Powers.

Anyway, I can live with or without a reversal. But, if WOTC goes to TPC for a ruling on this card, I truly expect TPC to tell WOTC to make Strength Charm work like it does in Japan (damages only the active Pokemon).

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posted October 15, 2002 07:12 AM      Profile for Pokidad   Email Pokidad    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Better yet, I like Tyranitar with Strength Charm:

quote:
Tyranitar
Pokémon card
LV. 54 # 248
{CrD}
100 HP
Stage 2 Pokémon
Evolves from Pupitar
Put Tyranitar on the Stage 1 card
Weakness: n/a
Resistance: {P} -30
Retreat cost: {C}{C}{C}
{C}{C}{C} Slam Flip 2 coins. This attack does 30 damage times the number of heads. 30x
{D}{D}{C}{C} Trample For each Benched Pokémon in play (yours and your opponent's), flip a coin. If heads, this attack does 30 damage to that Pokémon. (Don't apply Weakness and Resistance for Benched Pokémon.) 50

Use Trample to do 80 - 100 damage to the Defending Pokemon (Two - Four Dark Energies and Strength Charm) and 40 to each of your opponent's bench Pokemon (assuming you get heads). Then do 10 damage to each of your own Pokemon, assuming there is only one Unown D in play and you ge heads. What a game. Watch out D. Gengar. ROFLOL
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SteveP

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posted October 15, 2002 06:29 PM      Profile for SteveP   Email SteveP    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Yup Pokidad, Strength Charm is pretty good with Tyranitar too. However, the big Ty's bench hitting ability is already so great that Strength Charm might not be as necessary if you need other things instead (i.e., Gold Berries and Focus Bands to keep him alive longer). Nevertheless, I'd certainly fear any fully powered Tyranitar with Dark Energies and Strength Charm attached. [Eek!] Can you imagine how broken he'd be if they had changed Darkness Energy to increase bench damage too! [Eek!]

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Pokenaut

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posted October 16, 2002 10:44 AM      Profile for Pokenaut   Email Pokenaut    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
quote:
Originally posted by Pokidad:
Better yet, I like Tyranitar with Strength Charm:

quote:
Tyranitar
Pokémon card
LV. 54 # 248
{CrD}
100 HP
Stage 2 Pokémon
Evolves from Pupitar
Put Tyranitar on the Stage 1 card
Weakness: n/a
Resistance: {P} -30
Retreat cost: {C}{C}{C}
{C}{C}{C} Slam Flip 2 coins. This attack does 30 damage times the number of heads. 30x
{D}{D}{C}{C} Trample For each Benched Pokémon in play (yours and your opponent's), flip a coin. If heads, this attack does 30 damage to that Pokémon. (Don't apply Weakness and Resistance for Benched Pokémon.) 50

Use Trample to do 80 - 100 damage to the Defending Pokemon (Two - Four Dark Energies and Strength Charm) and 40 to each of your opponent's bench Pokemon (assuming you get heads). Then do 10 damage to each of your own Pokemon, assuming there is only one Unown D in play and you ge heads. What a game. Watch out D. Gengar. ROFLOL
Pokidad,
I thought that since the Unown D prevented the initial 30 damage against your own bench(assuming a heads flip) that Strength Chram would add nothing additional. So, even with a heads flip your bench is safe from damage, BTW, I am playtesting a nice TTar/Charm deck that also uses the Exp. TTar, and it so far is allowing more than one TTr to be built each game, something the old TTar's reliance on Darks made difficult.

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posted October 16, 2002 12:46 PM      Profile for BJJ763   Email BJJ763    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Defender's Pokémon Powers are applied after Attacking Pokémon's Trainers. So T-Tar with Strength Charm and Unown D on the Bench would still do 10 to your Bench.

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posted October 20, 2002 09:45 AM      Profile for Crazy Random      Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Does this mean if you double edge with chansey and it has a strength charm, it would do an extra 10 dmg on itself?

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posted October 20, 2002 03:18 PM      Profile for yoshi1001   Email yoshi1001    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Indeed it would. But then most people use Plus Power there(that being a good reason).

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