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Topic: Light Azumarill Strength Charm Darkness combo
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NoPoke
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posted December 06, 2002 05:45 AM
Attach Strength Charm to Light Azumarill
Use Bubble Jump and regardless of the flip you do 40 damage and the strength charm goes back to your hand for another go.
Combo with Darkness for a 50 damage attack.
(Now if only I could flip heads reliably this would be *very nice* 50 damage and my opponent would have to get past a focus banded baby or lillypad mew!)
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yoshi1001
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posted December 06, 2002 06:07 AM
From the oracle:
quote: {W}{C}{C} Bubble Jump If you have any Benched Pokémon, flip a coin. If heads, take 2 Energy cards attached to Light Azumarill and attach them to 1 of your Benched Pokémon. Then return Light Azumarill and all cards attached to it to your hand. 30
Yeah, that would work (SC is returned to your hand before it can be discarded). Neat. I wonder if this has other applications (I'm sure it does).
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PokePop
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posted December 06, 2002 06:20 AM
I wonder if this is flip for all effects, or just for the energy card transfer.
It may turn out that Azu only goes back to your hand if you get heads! Need a ruling.
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yoshi1001
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posted December 06, 2002 08:20 AM
Sounds like an attack similar to metapod's hatch, but yes a ruling would be nice.
From the compedium: quote: * MT Mike asked me to announce two [Ed. Note: actually three] more rulings reversals. Dark Pupitar and Discovery Metapod have attacks that have effects that should be tied to the result of the flip. Both effects are tied to the coin flip, regardless of how the card is worded. So, [if] you flip tails, you do NOTHING. So, Explosive Evolution will only completely work on the result of a heads. And Metapod's Hatch is the same way. Same goes for Blastoise's Jet Stream Poke-POWER. (Oct 17, 2002 WotC Chat, post-Q156)
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quote: Q. The ruling on Metapod's Hatch needing a heads-I assume that applies to Yanma's Shockwave and explosive evolution as well. A. Yes, that applies to those cards as well. Both effects are tied to the coin flip, regardless of how the card is worded. So, [if] you flip tails, you do NOTHING. (Oct 17, 2002 WotC Chat, post-Q156; Oct 31, 2002 WotC Chat, Q211)
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NoPoke
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posted December 06, 2002 08:50 AM
I'm fairly sure that it used to work but I know that a few of the rullings for cards have been changed and wondered if Light Azumarill would be caugth in the same trap
Kinda hope that it isn't as it makes Light Azumarill much more playable.I found that it was not quite reliable enough to hold its own in a tournament but maybe with Strength Charm......
Of course if it is decided to tie running away to the Flip then Light Azumarril joins the collection of Pokemon that will probably never been seen in a constructed tournament. Pity.
Anyone have a list of the cards that were reversed? [ December 06, 2002, 09:07 AM: Message edited by: NoPoke ]
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themcster
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posted December 06, 2002 10:20 AM
i thought of this a while ago ian when we first started playing with light azumarril, i am pretty sure that the flip determines everything now
However, even if you get tails, an 80 hp monster could survive at least one more turn to try at legging it with darkness on it.
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itgetsworse
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posted December 07, 2002 09:34 AM
Hmmm, this is a very old combo that I came up with. back when light azumarill first came out. the flip is just to see if you can attach an energy to a benched pokemon. back then i had the undefeatable deck with these guys. i used the promo marill because of the extra hp. and i'd search for 3 or 4 plus powers and have a couple benched babies or l. azumarills and start jumping and nothing could stop it. but now theres that strength charm which makes it even more powerful. i could give you guys an updated version of the (nearly) unbeatable deck!!!
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themcster
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posted December 07, 2002 03:34 PM
so, can anyone out there please confirm if the flip is tails - fails? or just to see if you attach the energy cards, and the scoop up effect works each time...?
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itgetsworse
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posted December 07, 2002 05:07 PM
it IS confirmed, i've checked over 10 times, just to be sure, the flip is only to see if you can attach an energy to the bench
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NoPoke
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posted December 07, 2002 05:32 PM
Actually it WAS confirmed that it always runs away. Up until Oct 17th 2002 that is. But as of the Oct 17th chat it is now grey.
If I were asked the question as a judge then I would currently rule against it always running away. The anouncement at that Chat seemed very general rather than specific
That said pokemon is largely a collection of rulings about individual cards so there is a feint hope for Lt Azumarill.
BTW I was not claiming any precedence as 'discoverer' mearly pointing out that the possibility for this to work currently exists, in that it is not specifically banned.
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'legal stalling' : game loss at least 'only joking' on misreported match results: DQ Yep its that serious! The prize swap penalty as it applies to shuffling.
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Hairy Clefairy
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posted December 07, 2002 10:40 PM
quote: Originally posted by NoPoke: Actually it WAS confirmed that it always runs away. Up until Oct 17th 2002 that is. But as of the Oct 17th chat it is now grey.
If I were asked the question as a judge then I would currently rule against it always running away. The anouncement at that Chat seemed very general rather than specific
That said pokemon is largely a collection of rulings about individual cards so there is a feint hope for Lt Azumarill.
BTW I was not claiming any precedence as 'discoverer' mearly pointing out that the possibility for this to work currently exists, in that it is not specifically banned.
Hey NoPoke,
I'm pretty sure what with the new rulings about all effects in the text that follow in the pattern 'If heads,... Then...' depend on the flip.
Can't say I like it but it would have made Blastoise Expedition broken, which was why I think that ruling came about in the first place. MTM said that they would make sure the wording on Blastoise P:Exp would never allow an ER on every turn regardless of the flip, that was at GenConUK when P:Exp was only a copy of scans in his travel bag.
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Psychic_Prof
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posted December 08, 2002 04:19 PM
...kind of off-topic...but claiming to have invented combos is ridiculous..many many people figure out the same combos.
So you figured it out for yourself...good job!
You're not the only one, I'm sure many many people saw the benefits of Light Azu
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