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Topic: Boost Energy (The good and the bad effect)
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SteveP
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posted January 22, 2003 12:57 PM
Meganium, please explain how Light Dragonite's power changes Boost Energy into some other kind of energy card. If you read LD's power, it merely says to turn off Boost Energy's card text and treat it as providing only triple colorless (see the LD-power / Double Colorless ruling). It doesn't say to change Boost Energy into some other kind of energy card.
You'll have to come up with a better argument than that to convince me of your point of view.
Unless there's some game rule that I'm unaware of, I'll bet (and put money on it) that WOTC rules that Boost Energy stays attached to Light Dragonite when Muk comes into play.
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Meganium45
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posted January 22, 2003 02:12 PM
Yeah! Lively debate.
My argument centers on the fact that, just as you stated, the card "text" is turned off, turning boost essentially into a triple colorless.
Only when Muk appears, does the card "text" appear, thereby making it the first turn that "boost energy" attached onto the pokemon instead of triple colorless.
I will be interested to see the ruling tomorrow. If the rule stands as you wish it to, Light Dragonite Decks will be everywhere, and worse yet, the key will be getting all of your boost energy into play while the Light Dragonite is in play, and then never having to discard it!
A quandry methinks. Or the basis of a new "power" deck.
See you on the boards. Steve, if you like, let's come up with a wager.something fun, yet actually worth winning.I'll check again tomorrow am. This could be THE ruling for Aquapolis. (wonders what master trainer gameboy is going to say)
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Mega Murkrow
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posted January 22, 2003 02:40 PM
But turning the text back on doesn't change the fact that the energy card was attached one to several turns ago but couldn't be because of light dragonite's power. Muk wouldn't literally "reset" the text on the boost energy, it just brings it back into play. I just wonder if it should be discarded because technically it should have been already when muk hits the board, but I do gotta agree with SteveP's reasoning...
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posted January 22, 2003 02:53 PM
I got a question!
What if a ditto was morphing into say, a brock's ninetales and then shapeshifted into a steelix, could you use boost energy to power shifted/transformed steelix's attack (for at least the CC requirement)? And then, if something shut off ditto's power, would you discard it immediately or wait?
Gotta have a ditto question!
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SteveP
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posted January 22, 2003 09:30 PM
TR Cassidy, I always thought that Ditto is NEVER an evolved Pokemon, regardless of the fact that it's using its Tranform power to copy an evolved Pokemon. Therefore, you can't even attach Boost Energy to Ditto. But, without looking up the Ditto rulings, I suppose I could be wrong. Nevertheless, it will be a great chat question tomorrow.
Meganium, while I have faith in my interpretation of this, I DON'T have faith in WOTC's first shot to rule on this one. (Do you remember the initial ruling on Strength Charm?) Also, TPC might have some game rule that I'm currently unaware of that WOTC may use to rule on this one.
Regarding a fun bet, how about something in our sigs. Whoever wins gets to make the other person put a line or two in their signature for an entire month. That might be fun. And, if the initial ruling gets overturned later, the initial loser gets to repay the favor. ![[Smile]](../tcg/smile.gif)
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posted January 23, 2003 03:27 AM
Light Dragonite/boost nrg made an appearance at the Shack last weekend. It made top 2. It is strong but not invincible, regardless of the ruling. Crush the basics or remove the nrg and it is dead. Center decks beat it as well. It will interesting to see how the rules play out. It will be more interesting to see the creative combos played with Light Dragonite.
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posted January 23, 2003 05:47 AM
From the Compendium:
Q. What exactly does Ditto copy when it uses its Pokemon Power: Transform?
A. It just copies whatever is written on the opponent's Active Pokemon card. So it won't copy damage, effects of attached Trainer cards, if that Pokemon is Poisoned, Confused, or anything like that, but it will copy Hit Points, attacks, Pokemon Powers, Weakness, and so on. (Fossil FAQ, WotC Website)
and:
// Evolution with Ditto
* Ditto CANNOT evolve whether he is a copy of Team Rocket Magikarp or Promo Eevee as it states on Ditto he cannot evolve ... (Jul 20, 2000 WotC Chat, mid-point Announcement [Q149])
Q. If a Promo Eevee is against a Ditto, can the ditto us the power just to look through his/her deck without evolving?
A. Nope. Ditto can't evolve, so can't even do that. (July 27 2000 WotC Chat)
Ditto cannot evolve, but if it copies an evolved pokemon...
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Meganium45
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posted January 23, 2003 09:49 AM
Allright Steve, I will take that bet. If the Boost energy stays on after the Magby (ooh, anyone think of that one?) or Muk knocks Light Dragonite's power down, then I will place a line in my signature of your choice denoting, in a tasteful way, that before making rulings on cards, Meganium45 should check with SteveP, the Card-ruling god of the boards, or something similar, and If it gets removed after the power is shut off, then you will put the message in your signature for the next month! The loser will also have to put a subject in this area stating that the right/wrong result was reached.
I will not be able to be at the chat, but we should know the results tonight!
Look forward to meeting you!
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SteveP
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posted January 23, 2003 11:50 AM
Wow Meganium45, you can come up with some good ones! I sure hope I don't loose this bet!
Here's the question I'll ask:
I attach Boost Energy to Light Dragonite which uses its power to keep Boost attached at the end of my turn. Later, Light Dragonite's power is somehow turned off (i.e., Muk's power, Magby's attack, special condition, Light Dragonite is benched). Does the Boost Energy stay attached to Light Dragonite?
I don't know if I can fit the entire question it, but I'll try.
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PokePop
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posted January 23, 2003 01:48 PM
I think the closest existing ruling concerns Brock's Ninetales and Brock's Protection.
Once it passes the checkpoint (in this case, the moment of attachment), it ain't checked again (when B's NT Shapeshifts).
Similarly, if Boost survives the turn it was attached, I don't think a check will occur on a later turn.
Similarly, I wonder if you can get boost onto a Pokemon by a method other than the normal "once per turn" attachment, if you would have to do the check at all...!
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SteveP
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posted January 23, 2003 03:06 PM
Okay, here's the chat log regarding this:
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darkmt_mike presents the speaker with question #644 from m_p_douglas:
Light Dragonite is active with Pokemon Working. Will Booster Energy work the same way as Miracle Energy. Miracle Energy is not discarded at the end of the turn because Light Dragonite's Pokemon Power erases all the text on the card.
true_darkwolf says, "can you answer 639"
darkmt_mike says, "Yeas it will!"
more to follow
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SteveP
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posted January 23, 2003 03:13 PM
Here's the answer to my question:
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darkmt_mike presents the speaker with question #655 from steve_p:
I attach Boost Energy to Light Dragonite which uses its power to keep Boost attached at the end of my turn. Later, Light Dragonite's power is somehow turned off (i.e., Muk's power, Magby's attack, special condition, Light Dragonite is benched). Does the Boost Energy stay attached to Light Dragonite?
darkmt_mike says, "Preliminary concensus is yes it stays."
kingkyle3 enters.
darkmt_mike says, "WOW!"
master_trainer_pat says, "That looks like that is the case...the Boost would stay attached."
Sorry Meganium45. ![[Big Grin]](../tcg/biggrin.gif) ![[Cool]](../tcg/cool.gif)
And, in answer to TR_Cassidy's question about Ditto:
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darkmt_mike presents the speaker with question #663 from steve_p:
Can I attach Boost Energy to Ditto while it is copying an evolved Pokemon?
darkmt_mike says, "You can't. It is not "Evolved""
master_trainer_pat says, "Right"
WOW! I'm 2-0! That's a first!
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posted January 23, 2003 03:27 PM
The reply has been received. The reward has been granted. All bow to the wisdom!
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posted January 23, 2003 03:33 PM
Sorry Meg45 to set up a question you couldn't get, I swear I didnt mean it!! ![[Angel]](../tcg/graemlins/angel.gif) ![[Wink]](../tcg/wink.gif)
Nice sig, btw lol
Sw33t, now to continue with phase 2 of my plan...
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SteveP
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posted January 23, 2003 03:39 PM
howdy Meganium45. ![[Razz]](../tcg/tongue.gif) Actually, the bet was for one month, so you can take it off then, or sooner if the rule is overturned. DMTM says they'll be looking into this to see if there was a misprint. So, the tables might turn.
FYI, here's the Usagi-chan translation of Boost Energy (found on Pojo) which makes me leary about this ruling holding up.
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ENERGY (CCC)
Boost Energy Special Energy Card
Attach Boost Energy to 1 of your Evolved Pokémon. At the end of your turn, discard Boost Energy. The Pokémon Boost Energy is attached to can’t retreat. Boost Energy provides (CCC) Energy. (Doesn’t count as a basic Energy card.)
Shin-ichi Yoshikawa 86/87 Uncommon
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posted January 23, 2003 04:04 PM
Yeah, that's how Miracle Energy is worded. Too bad they changed the templating for Boost... ![[Bored]](../tcg/graemlins/dozey.gif)
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posted January 24, 2003 07:51 AM
Let's try this one now.
If I have everything right,
I have an active Tyranitar from Expeition.
I attach Boost energy to the Tyranitar.
What happens now?
Which takes precedence? the card text or the power?
In other words, does my boost energy now provide 3 darkness energy with the help of Dark Aura? Does the boost energy get discarded at the end of the turn it was attached or stay on it?
For argument's sake let's say now that the boost energy stays attached & provides 3 darkness energy.
A few turns after originally attaching Boost, I have, for some unknown reason, de-volved down to Larvitar. Doesn't the Boost now provide just 3 colorless & stay attached?
What I was really thinking of first was the Boost on Blissy, then de-volving back to Chancey & someway for it to stay on it.
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posted January 24, 2003 08:23 AM
I would say Dark Aura would turn Boost Energy into 3 Darkness energies. But it does nothing to override the "Discard at the end of the turn it was played" wording so it would be discarded at the end of your turn.
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posted January 24, 2003 09:47 AM
BJJ's correct. The color of energy that a card provides is a seperate thing than any other Special properties that it has.
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posted January 28, 2003 04:42 PM
Sorry to interupt the Dragon chat but I was thinking that the boost enrgy would work well on Exeggutor, get to flip for each energy and it counts as three right?
Hope that pans out.
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posted January 29, 2003 07:16 AM
Read Exeggutor again. It states energy cards, not energy.
I'm still not sure of the correct answer. Would someone enlighten me again.
Here's the scenario -
An active Light Dragonite without any special conditions on it against an active Tyranitar that has the Dark Aura Pokebody & it has 4 energy on it.
Which takes precedence when Tyranitar attacks?
Is it Tyranitar's Dark Aura? Since it's attacking it's power comes first, making it "4 darkness" energy, & then L Dragonite's Power would no nothing?
Remember L Dragonite's power makes any special energy cards into colorless while Tyranitar's power turns an energy into darkness.
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posted January 29, 2003 10:25 AM
I just get this from my memory and too lazy to check compendium. Please correct me if I am wrong.
If two continuous functioning powers contraditing each other, the local power will override the other power.
In L. Dragonite/Tyranitar case, for the energy card on the Tyranitar, the Tyranitar's local power will override the power on other pokemon. So the Boost Energy card will provide 3 Darkness energy.
Please note, this rule only apply on 2 powers which are both functioning. If the local continuous power is being disabled (become not function) by another power (e.g. Muk, Iggybuff), the local power will be disabled.
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posted January 30, 2003 06:17 AM
Ahh...but wait...Ok the local Power/ Body takes Presidence..in this case Dark Aura turning the Boost into 3 Darkness. But, now here is the tricky part, does the Text of the card get turned off do to L. Dragonite's Power? And if the Text is turned off, then will the boost Energy stay attached to TTar when LD is knocked out do to the recent "Attachment" ruling? Try that one SteveP and let me know please...
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posted January 30, 2003 06:54 AM
Judging by the ruling made to a Boost Energy attached to a Light Dragonite, it should work just like that.
You attach a Boost Energy to your Expedition T-tar, its pokébody overrides the effect that Boost must be *** and you get DDD instead.
The nice part is that the "gets discarded at the end of the turn you attached it" clause is still shut off.
So I'm guessing it will stay on just like the Dragonite case.
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posted January 30, 2003 09:16 AM
Boost energy gets discarded at the end of the turn it is attached unless the text is turned off at that time. Attach boost to T'tar then Knock out the Light Dragonite and the Boost Energy attached to Tyranitar will be discarded.
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