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Topic: Crystal Energy clarification
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ShadowCard
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posted May 27, 2003 02:48 PM
I thought i understood this, but a trip to the compendium confused me. The questions there seem half answered.
When Crystal energy is attached to a pokemon with no basic energy cards, crystal energy is colorless. But when you attach an energy card (say fire), crystal energy becomes the energy type (fire)?
If there r two different types of energy cards on a pokemon you attach crystal energy to (say, fire and grass), crystal energy provides both but you choose one of them (say, fire)? Can you choose to change the crystal energy type (to grass)? If so, when can this choice be made?
If crystal energy is on Dark ampharos as lightning with a lightning energy and darkness energy and the shock bolt attack is used, will crystal energy be discarded by shock bolt with the lightning energy?
Thanks for your assistance.
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yoshi1001
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posted May 27, 2003 04:48 PM
You don't choose-crystal energy provides all those types of energy at all times, but only provides one energy at a time.
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posted May 27, 2003 05:07 PM
For example, does Crystal Energy mean that if I have a Grass, Lightning and Water Energy attached to a Pokemon, it gives me one more Lightning, one more Grass, and one more Water? Please clarify this. I got a couple of Crystal Energy in a pack and this baffeled me to no end. Thanx.
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PokePop
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posted May 27, 2003 06:20 PM
It's just like Rainbow Energy except you only get a limited range of colors: limited to those Basic Energy card types that are attached.
Think of it (and Rainbow) as a strobe light, shifting from color to color in rapid succession.
It only supplies one "ball" of energy, but each energy color is present and available. You don't choose a color. It "is" all those colors.
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ShadowCard
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posted May 27, 2003 07:07 PM
Let's try this: There are water and fire energy cards on a pokemon along with a crystal energy. You need en extra water and fire energy to forfil an attack requirement. Crystal energy will be both water and fire energy but since it is only provides one energy at a time, how would you know which one it is providing?
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PokePop
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posted May 27, 2003 07:30 PM
It provides both...but only one "ball" of energy. And you need two.
You're still one energy short, but either color will do it for you. Or another Crystal.
Have you had this problem with Rainbow Energy? It's essentially the same concept.
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ShadowCard
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posted May 27, 2003 07:51 PM
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Have you had this problem with Rainbow Energy? It's essentially the same concept
I hope i don't have the same problem with rainbow energy. Because rainbow energy states it only provides one energy at a time, it was declared what type it was when it was played (by everyone who has ever played it with me). Until the player wished to change the type, it was understood to remain the chosen energy type. If this is wrong, there goes two years of understanding.
That is why i thought you'd have to declare which of the energy on the pokemon you wish it to provide.
Using my previous example question, if a water energy was added, crystal remains to provide a water and a fire energy. But during the time of the attack, wouldn't you have to tell the opponent that crystal energy is currently fire and so you could forfil the attack requirements? or else they could argue it is water since it is only 1 ball of energy at a time.
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PokePop
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posted May 27, 2003 08:06 PM
Well, that's how Fossil Ditto's Power works. You have to declare the energy type. And there was a time when there was some confusion, but the rulings on Rainbow Energy has been this for a couple of years now. Check the Compendium link in my signature for details.
In any event, you are getting two seperate properties mixed up. Lets say someone has to be either dark haired to go through one door. Another door requires that a person have straight hair. A third door requires curly hair.
A straight haired brunette could go through either door number one or door number two. They are still only one person.
As for which door they go through, the answer is whichever one fills your need. They still have straight hair even if they go though the dark hair door.
You don't so much "declare" what color a Rainbow or Crystal provides as you "note" it. It still provides the other colors even if you are using if to fullfill another color requirement.
Does that help?
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bulbasnore
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posted May 27, 2003 10:19 PM
The points of confusion seem to be around 1) what energy crystal provides when it is attached BEFORE some later basic energy card (it adopts that type) and 2) how much energy it provides (always 1 per crystal energy card).
If I attach a crystal energy to a pokemon with no energy, it is 1 colorless.
THEN, if I add a fire basic energy to that PKMN crystal provides 1 energy of type fire. Total two energy.
THEN, if I add a water basic energy to that PKMN, crystal provides 1 energy of type fire & water. Total 3 energy.
If that PKMN is a Magmar that requires two fire and 1 colorless to do 40 damage, I'm good to go!
If the PKMN is Shining Gyardos and it needs two water and two fire I'm one short! Another crystal, fire or water would do be needed.
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jesschow12
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posted May 27, 2003 11:40 PM
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I hope i don't have the same problem with rainbow energy. Because rainbow energy states it only provides one energy at a time, it was declared what type it was when it was played
remember the shining raichu attack?
if you have 1 lightning ,2 water,1 crystal energy
you use the attack you does 40 to the defending first right? but when you attack the bench ,you cant change the crystal energy to water cause it provides 1 energy at A TIME
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NoPoke
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posted May 28, 2003 04:26 AM
You don't change crystal energy when you use it to pay for a cost.. it continues to provide a mini-rainbow consisting of all colours of basic energy cards attached.
so with LLW + crystal. You can satisfy LLWW and LLLW attack costs.
That is the easy bit. Now Thundersquall says count the number of W energy. The two Ls don't count, the water does, and so does the Crystal as it is currently providing a two-colour rainbow of {L+W}.
Just because you used it to satisfy an {L} cost doesn't stop it providing water coloured energy.
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BJJ763
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posted May 28, 2003 04:31 AM
A Shining Raichu with LWWCr would do 40 to the Defending and 30 to the Bench. While Crystal energy provides only 1 unit of energy or "ball" as 'Pop put it, it is providing 2 differnt types - W and L so Shining Raichu gets to attack the Active and do 30 to the Bench. Same thing if it had LWWRa as Rainbow Energy provides 1 of every type of energy but only provides 1 unit of energy.
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PokePop
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posted May 28, 2003 04:51 AM
Right. And here's the clearest example, at least for Rainbow Energy: Southern Islands Mew with one Rainbow attached.
The one Rainbow simultaneously fills the attack requirement of one Psychic and also lets you choose any color to do damage to!
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jesschow12
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posted May 28, 2003 05:36 AM
rainbow and crystal provide 1 energy at a time!
you cant change the energy while attacking
thundersquall: 1L 2W 1crys does 20 only! cause you need lightning energy to attack,so it provides 1 lightning energy at a time.You CANT CHANGE THE ENERGY WHILE ATTACKING
SI mew attack: you need psychic+crystal or rainbow to choose the types
like i said you use psychic energy and crys or rainbow energy provides 1 energy at a time which is psychic energy,you cant change the energy while attacking
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NoPoke
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posted May 28, 2003 06:18 AM
Rainbow provides one unit of energy at a time.
Rainbow provides all colours of energy simultaneously.
You are not choosing a colour for rainbow to provide. You have no choice. Rainbow provides all colours simultaneously unless a card (pokemon power) says otherwise.
Some attacks specify that you count the number of {W} energy attached, some have the additional statement that you don't count those energies that were used to pay for the attack cost. This is probably where you got the idea that once you use a rainbow to provide a particular colour it is no longer counted . Its just that it isn't so. Sorry.
As others have said Southern Islands Mew is the best example of rainbows ability to simultaneously satisfy the {P} energy cost but allso allow the selection of any colour for the attack damage.
Crystal is a mini-rainbow.
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jesschow12
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posted May 28, 2003 07:54 AM
ok then tell what do the "provide 1 energy at a time" means
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PokePop
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posted May 28, 2003 08:45 AM
Sorry Jess, but you have it wrong.
There are two things to check:
1. Do you have enough of the right kinds of energy for an attack.
2. Are there any effects that depend on what colors of energy are attached and how many.
Those are two totally different things, unless specified in the text (such as where Water Gun says "don't count W Energy used to pay the cost of the attack".
You do not "count" Rainbow Energy as a type and thereby "fix" it to that type.
It is a Rainbow. All 8 colors, all the time.
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BJJ763
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posted May 28, 2003 08:52 AM
"Provides 1 energy at a time" means that if you attach a Rainbow Energy to a Pokémon with an attack that needs WR, you would still need either another Rainbow Energy, an W energy, or an R energy. Rainbow Energy gives you both W and R for your attack, but your Pokémon is not powered up yet - it needs 2 seperate energy "balls". A Rainbow Energy card on Genesis Lugia does not power it up as Lugia need 3 balls of energy to attach and while the Rainbow Energy gives it every type of energy, it does not give 3 balls of energy.
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posted May 28, 2003 02:20 PM
i believe i get it now. shinning raichu was the best example there.
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