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Topic: Confusion and Smeargle
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DMTM
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posted January 03, 2003 02:51 PM
I ruled wrong on the chat yesterday. Yes I know it's hard to believe but I have ben busy sending out my Barwraiths searching for the "One Maplebar" so I totally messed up the Confused Smeargle ruling. It does not help that the official ruling was wrong to begin with.
Here is the official ruling:
Q. A confused pokemon attempts to attack a Smeargle and fails; what happens if Smeargle uses Sketch? Would it be able to attack itself for 20?
A. Yes. Confusion states that the Pokémon attacks itself with an attack that does 20 damage. Smeargle would copy that attack doing 20 damage to itself.
Thank You.
Now where is that Maplebar?
DMTM
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posted January 03, 2003 03:20 PM
Look in the safe next to the box containing Sneasel and Slowking. I think you put the maple bar inside when you put Slowking in the box.
[ January 03, 2003, 03:23 PM: Message edited by: Super Celebi ]
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yoshi1001
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posted January 03, 2003 03:21 PM
Ah, I see. Well, if I see it, I'll mail it to you.
Glad we can get that squared away. FYI: The rulebook refers to confusion as an attack, so that's where the ruling is from, I'm guessing. Makes sense.
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LizardOTC
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posted January 03, 2003 04:56 PM
OK. Good.
This was the ruling I had hoped would be given back when the question was first asked. It makes sense.
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Golduck
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posted January 10, 2003 03:38 AM
But who woud like to let Smeargle attack itself? I guess it could be useful in an Expedition Machamp deck, where you need lots of damage in play. But still weird...
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WizPoG_Pop
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posted January 10, 2003 06:24 AM
Basically it would be a trap for someone who doesn't keep up with high level rulings.
"I attack. Oops, I failed the Confusion flip. 20 damage to me."
"Hah! Now my Smeargle will wipe you out with the attack you failed to use."
"Uh, you just did 20 to yourself and KO'd your own Smeargle. I won!"
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yoshi1001
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posted January 10, 2003 06:30 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Golduck:
But who woud like to let Smeargle attack itself? I guess it could be useful in an Expedition Machamp deck, where you need lots of damage in play. But still weird...
This came up as a discussion question at the 2002 CSC. You could use it to say, break a murkrow lock or trigger a gold berry.
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Crobat1
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posted January 10, 2003 06:51 AM
Now, you have me confused--but I definitely won't start attacking unless I know the latest ruling--especially if I see a smeargle on your bench.
I was under the impression (obviously wrong) that smeargle gets to copy the attack that your opponent used during your opponent's last turn--not the results of the attack. I thought that smeargle was able to copy the attack that the pokemon used--even if that attack failed and became an attack of 20 against itself.
When a pokemon gets a tail against the baby rule, the attack does not happen and therefore cannot be copied.
But, when a confused pokemon attacks and fails, the attack did happen and so long as that pokemon is still the active pokemon, its attack can be copied--as if it had succeeded. Obviously, there has been a ruling that says that I am totally wrong.
BTW, whee does one find the latest ruling. I have read the Master Rulings documents and the supplements. Remind me where I go to get newer info.
Thanks.
And also, where do I get those famous maple bars?
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yoshi1001
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posted January 10, 2003 07:28 AM
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There is no total logic, it's just a simple game
But everyone's out there for the glory and fame
The simple fact is Smeargle can only sketch what it sees, and if it didn't see the attack itself, it can't sketch it-only the confusion (which as I pointed out, is an attack).
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Crobat1
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posted January 10, 2003 07:39 AM
Great explanation.
Yoshi, please remind me where the newest info from chats is posted.
Also, what are the chances of us arranging a booster draft somewhere upstate--we live about 125 miles from you. Maybe, we get get others to join us. Daniel and I would be willing to travel to Albany if it's for an all day event: maybe a constructed event followed by a draft. It would be fun to draft from the new Aquapolis set--great way to learn all the cards.
I could e-mail this to you--but I'd rather post it hoping that some eavesdroppers might get interested.
Warm regards-- Jeff and Daniel
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BJJ763
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posted January 10, 2003 07:49 AM
Chat logs can be found at PokeSchool and The Compendium (along with The Compendium, source for all Chat Rulings), which my sig has a link to....
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Porygone3
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posted January 10, 2003 08:07 AM
Would Mirror Move have the same effect since it copys the attacks final result?
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WizPoG_Pop
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posted January 10, 2003 10:08 AM
No because Mirror Move does the final result that is done to that Pokemon.
Since the effect is done to the attacking Pokemon, your Pokemon saw no effect and no damage. Therefore, it has nothing to Mirror.
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annisarich
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posted January 12, 2003 05:48 PM
I was the reason for the confusion in the first place (pun intended but unintentional)
The thing to do is read the rule book and find the following from the "how do special contitions work" section
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When you attack with a confused pokemon you flip a coin. On heads the attack works normaly, but on tails your pokemon attacks itself with an attack that does 20 damage.
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It doesnt say that its attack hits itself for 20 damage (instead of its normal damage) it stated that there is a special attack of its own caused by confusion.
I guess it would be a diferent case if sketch said copy the attack your opponent tried to use. or if your oppopnent tried to attack last turn copy that attack. But alas it does not. But Smeargle on the bench against a eggsacutor rolling lotsa dice is a nice thing to have ![[Smile]](../tcg/smile.gif)
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LizardOTC
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posted January 12, 2003 08:10 PM
quote:
Originally posted by annisarich:
But Smeargle on the bench against a eggsacutor rolling lotsa dice is a nice thing to have
Well, not necessarily...
Heres an entry from the Compendium:
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Q. Smeargle is on my bench. My opponent just did Riptide for 120 damage. I make Smeargle active & do how much damage? 120, (same as opponent's did) or 10 if I don't have water energy in my discard pile?
A. You copy the attack, not the damage or the final effects of that attack; thus, unless you have some water energy in your discard you are doing 10 damage. (Sep 13, 2001 WotC Chat, Q161)
This means that, if the opposing Exeggutor is flipping 10 coins, Smeargle will probably not flip that many. The number flipped for Smeargle's Sketch will depend on the number of energy attached to Smeargle (probably just 2), not the number attached to Exeggutor... 
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annisarich
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posted January 13, 2003 05:34 AM
sketch if the defending pokemon attacked last turn, and smeargle was in play during that attack, Smeargle coppies that attack except for its Energy costs and anything else required in order to use that attack.
so energy required in the worded part of the description of the oponents pokemon's attack is not a cost? (almost like an effect?)
If my question is not clear I'll repost it after work.
Gotta go!
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yoshi1001
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posted January 13, 2003 06:22 AM
An energy cost means the symbols on the left side of the card. What you are describing within the attack is a calculation. Smeargle does not ignore this.
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annisarich
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posted January 13, 2003 07:06 PM
calculation...thats what i was looking for, thanks.
learning the terms of the game make it easier to decipher rulings and understand conversations.
so i guess i was kinda clear. in my nub way
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