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Topic: Steel/dark damage or not?
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UmbreonKing
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posted July 02, 2003 12:53 AM
I was wondering if i had a steelix as my active with one steel energy and one dark energy would I do more damage? Also,would I take the ten damage from the dark energy in between turns?
Can you please help me out.
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posted July 02, 2003 04:16 AM
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Originally posted by UmbreonKing:
I was wondering if i had a steelix as my active with one steel energy and one dark energy would I do more damage? Also,would I take the ten damage from the dark energy in between turns?
Can you please help me out.
Yes, Steelix (a metal type) would do 10 more damage due to the darkness energy. The metal energy would not reduce the attack damage, but it would also not stop the damage from the darkness energy (since it only reduces damage caused by attacks) in the same way that Focus Band would not be triggered by damage from poison or dark energy.
HTH!
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tolotos
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posted July 02, 2003 07:51 AM
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Yes, Steelix (a metal type) would do 10 more damage due to the darkness energy. The metal energy would not reduce the attack damage, but it would also not stop the damage from the darkness energy (since it only reduces damage caused by attacks) in the same way that Focus Band would not be triggered by damage from poison or dark energy.
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A bit wrong: Metal Energy will prevent damage which isn´t done by attacks (but which is done(!!), not put on the pokemon, like Darkness says), so for example a playful puch will be reduced but it isn´t an attack. So ,in this case, your answer is right, but the way you eyplain it, is wrong.
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posted July 02, 2003 09:05 AM
Hey UmbreonKing, do you know about The Compendium?
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UmbreonKing
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posted July 02, 2003 03:52 PM
Thanks for the help on my question,and what is the Compendium?
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Porygone3
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posted July 02, 2003 06:19 PM
does not matter with the new engery... dark and mettal now read diferntly.
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posted July 02, 2003 11:52 PM
This becomes a question of which rulings you are going to use. Under the current WotC rulings, Darkness will add 10 Damage to any Pokemon's attacks, no matter what type it is. Between turns it will also place 10 damage on those Pokemon that are not Dark or do not have Dark in their name. Metal provides protection, from attack damage (not the placing of damage counters), to all Pokemon, but if the Pokemon is not a Metal type, it will also reduce that Pokemon's attack damage by 10.
HOWEVER, if you are playing under the new rules that Nintendo released when Ruby & Sapphire came out, Darkness and Metal energy's special abilities only apply to Darkness and Metal Pokemon respectively. If they are attached to any other type, they just provide colorless energy, and nothing else happens.
As you can see, the answer to your question will be different depending on which set of rules you are using.
BDS
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posted July 03, 2003 03:33 AM
I don't understand the new Nintendo rules, are they a requirement or are they optional. Are they for certain tournament's or what? Do they aply in umlimited or modified? Sorry for all the question's, but it's best to know.
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posted July 03, 2003 04:17 AM
Nintendo's Metal & Darkness rules are required when playing under Nintendo's rules (though technically they really aren't Nintendo's rules). When playing in a Nintendo tournament, Metal & Darkness energy cards will work as decribed - only on their respective types - for all tournaments. But only Nintendo tourneys.
For WotC tourneys, Metal & Darkness will work the way you're used to. To avoid confusion, just don't use R/S Metal energy cards and/or Darkness energy cards in WotC tourneys.
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The Dark Llama
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posted July 03, 2003 01:07 PM
Wait - where on the Nintendo energies does it say they provide Colorless? It just says it provides its type of energy.
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posted July 03, 2003 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by The Dark Llama:
Wait - where on the Nintendo energies does it say they provide Colorless? It just says it provides its type of energy.
OK, they don't provide colorless, but you can use them as such as they will fill any colorless requirement. That is the point BDS was trying to make. It was just mental shorthand to say they provided colorless.
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posted July 03, 2003 02:17 PM
My bad. Thanks for the clarification Pop. It would have been better if I would have said that when they are attached to a Pokemon of a different type, they just provide a metal energy that could be used in Colorless attacks.
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posted July 03, 2003 03:40 PM
The reason the damage to Steelix from Dark Energy still happens is that it isn't 10 damage -- it's a damage counter. Since placing a damage counter is not doing damage, Metal Energy does not trigger. BTW, if a Rainbow Energy is attached to the same Steelix later, it still gets a damage counter for the same reason.
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Porygone3
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posted July 03, 2003 05:39 PM
they have 1 pokemon that has you discard a dark engery to do more dammage in the new set ...
bane.
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I've gotten 98 on that Machoke at work game. I beat Driving Corasola.
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"I've got counter productive Powers."
"One heart can make a diferance."
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The Dark Llama
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posted July 03, 2003 06:19 PM
yeah, thats why the attack will be useable whe nnintendo takes over, Sharpedo won't get damaged by the Darkness.
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NoPoke
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posted July 04, 2003 02:14 AM
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Provides its type of energy
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so a metal energy on a grass pokemon provides grass energy??????
or do you mean that a metal energy on a grass pokemon provides metal energy????
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posted July 04, 2003 08:49 AM
*sigh*
Metal provides Metal, without any other benefits or drawbacks, if used on a Grass Pokemon. It can, just like any other color or energy, be used for colorless requirements.
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posted July 05, 2003 10:10 AM
Are the new Metal and Dark rules applied to the entire game now, Or only the nintendo tournament's. Would this be rule aplied in unlimited? If so it would ruin my favorite deck, Dark Wiggly.
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posted July 05, 2003 02:35 PM
It depends. I often go to a weekly hobby shop tournament -- it's non-DCI, and the rule is "if you don't know, play as written." I interpret that to also mean that if you have multiple versions of the "same" card (and I don't mean like same name Pokemon), you play each as written, unless you know it's incorrect. For DCI, I think the wording we've gotten used to is the rule.
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posted July 06, 2003 09:41 AM
Not to belabour this too much, but does anyone know what the format will be at GenCon this year? Am I correct to assume that Wizards is running the events, and therefore we CANNOT use ex-Ruby/Sapphire cards, or the new ruling made in that set?
It seems like this could be explained a bit better on the Wizards site. I understand that the tensions must be high, but it is in their best interest to clarify this. I won't be surprised when I see Ex decks at Gen Con, whether they're allowed or not, simply because the ruling hasn't been made clear (there's no mention of the EX sets on the Wizards site, for marketing and copyright reasons I would imagine).
Also, is the current modified format still Neo-Genesis and later? And which cards are banned (Slowking, Sneasel, any others)? This info was hard for me to find too...
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NoPoke
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posted July 06, 2003 10:00 AM
If its a wotc event then no R&S cards. Not even the reprints!
If its a wotc event then use DCI floor rules
If its a wotc event use the skyridge advanced rule book for how to play.
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That said Nintendo will be at GenCon so I'm sure you'll find someone to play with under the Nintendo rules with the new R&S cards. If you want to make a R&S deck then I suggest that you make two! The first can be Neo Genesis onwards and the second the slightly less InSaNe Exped onwards.
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