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John Kulp
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posted November 18, 2002 10:36 AM      Profile for John Kulp   Email John Kulp    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
I'm building a deck in which I need a Charizard but I don't know which of the two in the subject above is superior. I would appreciate some input before I make my decision. Thank you.

[ November 18, 2002, 10:38 AM: Message edited by: John Kulp ]

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posted November 18, 2002 01:07 PM      Profile for Asraun Emnesity   Email Asraun Emnesity    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
In my opinion, I'd say the 100 HP Charizard is the strongest of all of them.... But as for the 120 HP Expedition and the 120 HP Base Set Charizard, I'd go for the Base Set one.

Why?

IMO the Expedition's Pokémon Power for the 120 one is better than the Base Set Charizard's power, yet the Expedition one doesn't have Resistance and it's attack: Scorching Whirlwind may do 120 damage, but has a good chance of making you discard ALL card attached to Charizard. It would take quite a bit to build up, and even if you did have Double Colorless Energy, your opponent could easily get rid of it by using Energy Removal or Super Energy Removal.

If anything, I'd just say go for the other Charizard. 100 HP, one colorless energy to have a chance of doing 40 damage (Yes it's a flip attack, but hey, it could work.) And It's other attack, that does 60 damage, you only have to remove one energy in order to use it. It also only takes 2 energy to retreat too.

But hey, that's just my opinion, make whatever choice you see is best.

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[ November 18, 2002, 01:09 PM: Message edited by: Asraun Emnesity ]

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posted November 18, 2002 02:51 PM      Profile for TheGameHHH6662   Email TheGameHHH6662    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Base set/LC Charizard is certainly nice when you combo it with base/LC Venusaur to power it up quickly but E-card Charizard is good fun to play with.Of course you could always put in two of each! [Smile]

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posted November 18, 2002 05:12 PM      Profile for Otaku   Email Otaku    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Out of the options you give, I'd go with... oh I can't decide. I'd run 2 /Base/2/LC and one EXP if that is what you feel youmust use-I think I'd rather have the straight two discard rather than the risk of loosing all. I reccomend one EXP jsut so you don't have to worry about your Power being shut off-EXP affects all your Pokes so... You should probably run either Harvest Bount Venusaur (so you cad keep up a steady assualt) or NR Aerodactyl so you can use all you lower evo's attacks- and have Charmeleon and Charmander's Cheaper attacks to fall back on.

I'd go with Asraun Emnesity's suggestion-the 100HP powerless EXP version. I have a deck that swarms it: I use Dodrio to give myself a free retreat cost and voila! 'Zard Swarm! I can power up Tail Smash with a Recyle Energy, then go to town. I can power up Flame thrower for the coup de grace, and when I have 90 damage-Pokemon Nurse/Center to repeat the process! Another good choice is Dark Charizard-useing the TR Charmander, you can power-up Cleffa as normal first turn, play Chramander, Eeeeeeek!, then use TR Chrmander's Power to snatch the okd Fire ENergy from Cleffa, add a second, and Breeder to Dark Charizard.

Most importantly though, have fun! [Smile]

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posted November 18, 2002 09:47 PM      Profile for Prime   Email Prime    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Depends on what kind of deck your playing. The good part about BS Charizard was that you could play it in any deck, and apply any energy. Same with the EX one too, but if you play the EX charizard in a grass deck, it turns all grass on ALL of your pokemon into fire and thus un-useable. Also damage wise, it might to the amount to knock out a chancey but you may have to discard all energy cards while for 20 less damage, on the BS one, you only have to discard two energy at most. BS charizard has a resistance and EX charizard doesn't. If it were my opinion, I would choose the BS charizard. It works awesome with recycle energy and EX venusaur and if you just going to use a fire deck, no need for the wide-fire change power of EX charizard. IMO the only thing EX. Charizard has over BS charizard is that it can do 20 more damage. But BS Charizard doesnt have to discard as much, as a resistance, not a wide spread power, so it can be used in any deck.

Also, heres a question. BS Charizard states:
"This power can't be used if Charizard is Asleep, Confused, or Paralyzed." So does that mean if he is poisoned or burned, his power still works?

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posted November 19, 2002 04:50 AM      Profile for BJJ763   Email BJJ763    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
No the Power is off if Charizard if Burned and/or Posioned. LC Charizard states that the Power does not work if Charizard is effected by a Special Condition. Both Burn and Posion are Special Conditions.

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posted November 19, 2002 07:09 PM      Profile for Kasumi   Email Kasumi    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
I believe the new EXP holo card would be a better addition to your respective deck.
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posted November 19, 2002 08:37 PM      Profile for John Kulp   Email John Kulp    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
First off thank you one and all. With your opinions I have made my decision. For those who care I'm going with the Base Set one. More automatic,better to lose two than all of them(knowing my luck). And more importantly I've never used it before and always wanted to. And a special thanks to Otaku whose has given me several good ideas not only for my deck,but for the future as well. [Evil Smirk] I'm throwing in the Recycle Es,Neo Dactyl,and a E Stadium for good measure. One note:To you Kasumi,I mean no offense but you have to throw in the reason why. I'm asking your opinion of why should I consider this card above the other. See? If anyone wants to continue the debate by all means go ahead. I thank you for your input.

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posted November 19, 2002 10:28 PM      Profile for Martin Moreno   Email Martin Moreno    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Definitly base set bro. It is useable with Entei or Typhlosion to get it powered quicker. hehe.

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posted November 19, 2002 10:39 PM      Profile for matthewssandslash   Email matthewssandslash    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
I'll second Otaku.

Suddenly the room is filled with gasps of amazement. Otaku walks up to matthewssandslash and says: "Matt, you feeling okay?" matthewssandslash responds "Well, you're still terribly wrong about Dark Charizard-" Otaku sighs and rolls his eyes "but the swarmable 100 HP Charizard is an idea of mine, too. With 3 base and one Rocket (I think the Exp. ones are pretty dang awful) Charmander, 1 Base Charmeleon, and 3/4 100 HP Charizard, you'd have a nice, rogue deck." Otaku faints, and needs to be revived by a gallon of Gatorade. "Brr," Otaku says. He then asks matthewssandslash "Incidentally, which of the 120 HP Charizards would be... ohh... not as bad?" "Base Set, naturally." matthewssandslash replies. Otaku faints again, since matthewssandslash agreed with him again. matthewssandslash wisely decides to never agree with Otaku again.

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posted November 21, 2002 09:54 AM      Profile for Otaku   Email Otaku    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
[Eek!]
I don't know what's scarier, that Matthew's Sandslash and I agreed... or that he could write me so accurately in a story... [ROFL]

As for the debate, is there anyone who acctually does favor the Exp Charizard with a Pokemon power?

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posted November 21, 2002 02:58 PM      Profile for ukpokemonpro   Email ukpokemonpro    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
BASE no further comment needed.

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posted November 22, 2002 10:18 PM      Profile for matthewssandslash   Email matthewssandslash    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
Lol, Otaku, you are EXACTLY like Nite Owl. That's how I got you so good. rofl

But I think that besides Master Trainer Mike there's nobody who prefers the 120 HP Exp. Charizard to any of the others.

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