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Topic: Has there been an official ruling on Star Peice
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Spectreon
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posted May 12, 2003 07:35 PM
According to Star Peice, at any time between turns, if th epokemon this card is attached to is benched and has 2 or more damage coutners on it, search your deck for an evolution card that pokemon evolves into and put it on top of that pokemon, this counts as evolving that pokemon, shuffle your deck afterward. then discard star piece.
I thought i saw something on here about this already, but either I imagined it, or couldnt find it. Anyways, I was wondering if there has been any official ruling, or if you can use it simular to breeder, skipping an evo stage. Also I was wondering, if anybody has this card and E-reader, what does E-reader say.
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WizPog_Chrisbo
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posted May 12, 2003 08:18 PM
There hasn't been an "official ruling", but I don't think you can use Star Piece to act like Pokemon Breeder.
The text of Star Piece says, "...search your deck for an Evolution card that Pokemon evolves into...". Now Caterpie cannot evolve into Butterfree (it can only evolve into Metapod), so the Star Piece cannot be used to bypass its Stage 1 version.
I think they worded it this way to allow for Pokemon that have several evolutionary paths like Eevee, Gloom, and Pokemon like Dark Raichu, etc.
Hope this helps,
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CmonIWanaPLaYa
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posted May 13, 2003 07:14 AM
I think that it needs a ruling though.. evolves into is kind of vague and can be interpreted many ways... could this be brought up in the next chat.. I had a thread started on this before but can't find it anywhere...
Not disagreeing with you Chris.. but an official ruling would be nice to have.. Thanks!!
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RainbowRichards
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posted May 13, 2003 07:34 AM
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Originally posted by CmonIWanaPLaYa:
I had a thread started on this before but can't find it anywhere...
It's down there - you had asked about the (similarly-worded) Nidoqueen PP ![[Wink]](../tcg/wink.gif)
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Spectreon
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posted May 13, 2003 08:05 AM
I was thinking it was simular text as Breeding Feilds, but went and checked, breeding feilds says later stage of that Pokemon.
The thing that doesnt make much sense is that Nidoqueens power and Star peice do just about the same thing without stage skip, so why have different wordings. I could understand if they werent in the same set, but it seems odd that they are from the same set....
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BJJ763
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posted May 13, 2003 08:26 AM
Welcome to the American language! Remember these were translated from Japanese so maybe it was just how the person translated it. Nidoqueen's Power is letting you get a card that "evolves from your Active" and Star Piece lets you get a card that your Pokémon "evolves into". Same thing just different directions (and probably verb tenses). Reminds me of how i'm teaching my 3 year old the difference of "from" and "into" when he says "Haunter evolves into Gastly" or "Gastly evolves from Haunter".
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DOMCGI
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posted May 13, 2003 08:39 AM
Star piece say “that Pokemon evolves into”
Nidoqueen say “card evolves from”
Breeder Field say “later-Stage card”
In my opinion, it is pretty clear that the Star Piece and Nidoqueen only for the next stage Pokemon. It can't have any other way to interpreted the text.
We can say:
Nidoran(F) evolves into Nidorina, or Nidorina evolves from Nidoran(F).
But we can’t say:
Nidoran(F) evolves into Nidoqueen, nor Nidoqueen evolves from Nidoran(F)
It is bacause the small text on the top of the Nidoqueen already say: Evolves from Nidorina.
We only can say Nidoqueen is a later-Stage card for Nidoran(F). It is why the Breeder Field work.
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WizPog_Chrisbo
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posted May 13, 2003 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by CmonIWanaPLaYa:
Not disagreeing with you Chris.. but an official ruling would be nice to have.. Thanks!!
Sure thing, I'll ask it at the next Chat.
Later,
- CHRISBO
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CmonIWanaPLaYa
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posted May 15, 2003 07:48 AM
Thanks Chris!!
I understand the text derivatives, just think an actual ruling to clarify the text would cause unwanted headaches to some Judges...
Thanks for all Input on this topic...
Here is another addition to this card..
If I attach a Dark Energy to a Pokemon, let's say Larvitar for example on my first turn, and then evolve Larvitar to Dark Pupitar at the end of my Opponents turn (which is between turns), can I evolve to Dark TTar on my Second Turn since evolution occured between turns and kinda gets around evolving on your turn rule??
Thanks.. this could effect Dark type Pokemon and how we evolve them!!!
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The Dark Llama
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posted May 15, 2003 05:05 PM
i don't think it just has to be Dark pokemon, but here's what I think:
Since the evolution didn't take place during your turn, I believe you'd still be able to evolve that Pokemon. Yo ucan only evolve a card once per turn, and between turns isn't someone's turn, so it makes sense!
However, your combo would only work if you still had the Darkness Energy on at the end of your opponent's turn, otherwise, you lack the 2 counters and skip out on Star piece.
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WizPog_Chrisbo
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posted May 15, 2003 05:34 PM
This just in... quote:
== STAR PIECE (Skyridge Expansion)
Q. Can you use Star Piece to evolve to a higher stage Pokemon like you do with Pokemon Breeder?
A. No, you would have to Evolve it into the next natural stage. (May 15, 2003 WotC Chat, Q1570 & Q1574)
Gah! I should've checked here for the second question before the Chat. Oh well, it'll give me something to ask next week too.
Later,
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CmonIWanaPLaYa
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posted May 16, 2003 06:25 AM
Thanks Chris!! You got the main part answered.. and there is 1 more chat b4 SBZ so I can wait til then!!!
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Spectreon
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posted May 18, 2003 06:14 AM
After thinking about it , I finally think I see why the card says evolves into intstead of evolves from...... Babies to basics. Think about it, Nidoqueens power says evolves from. Well, Pikachu (for example) is a basic, it does not evolve from Pichu, but if you had a Pichu with a Star Peice and 2 Damage counters, then Pichu can evolve into Pikachu. Not extremly usefull, but hey, whatever.
And like I said Sat CmonIWanaPLaYa, I believe that since it was evolved between turns, that on your turn you should be able to evolve it again. But that is only my humble opinion.
[ May 18, 2003, 06:15 AM: Message edited by: Spectreon ]
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To evolve, treat Eevee poorly, when it hates your guts, let it get ko'ed in th night while holding Spell Tag. PS, if it gets ko'ed outin the day, then it will die, go visit its grave in Soul House of Lavender, next to Fuji
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