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posted July 06, 2003 02:17 AM      Profile for UmbreonKing   Email UmbreonKing    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
If my opponent played Chaos gym and then I got out Slowking and they tried to play a trainer which would come first? Also,if I got tails on Choas gym would I flip for them to use my trainer?

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posted July 06, 2003 08:57 AM      Profile for dkates      Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
I think that the Chaos Gym would come first in this case, since your opponent "controls" it. If it were yours, you could choose the order. Not sure about the answer to the second question, but I don't think so -- it's not coming from your opponent's hand.

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posted July 06, 2003 09:13 AM      Profile for yoshi1001   Email yoshi1001    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
1. Yes, Chaos Gym would flip first since your opponent controls it.

2. From the Compendium:

Q. Please elaborate on the interaction if I have Slowking's "Mind Games" on my bench, but I flip tails when attempting to play a trainer under Chaos Gym.
A. So, if I have Slowking out and there is a Chaos Gym, I attempt to play a trainer and flip tails. NOW my opponent can attempt to play that trainer (as long as it isn't a Tool or Stadium of course). I can now choose to use my Mind Games to make my opponent flip a coin for the trainer they are attempting to play. On heads, the trainer fails and goes back onto the OWNER's deck (this is an errata change to the text on Mind Games). (Nov 14, 2002 WotC Chat, Q67)

[ July 06, 2003, 09:17 AM: Message edited by: yoshi1001 ]

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posted July 06, 2003 09:49 AM      Profile for NoPoke   Email NoPoke    Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
I guess I was never really happy with this one....

Chaos gym...

I try to play a card and flip tails. My opponent then gets the opportunity to USE the card, provided they can meet all the other requirements on the card.

Now even if I have Slowkings' MindGames in play, I still think that my opponent should get to USE the card. The opponent is not PLAYING THE CARD they are USING IT. They still have to fulfill any requirements in order to play the card. But they aren't taking the card from their hand and PLAYING it.

With both a Chaos Gym and an opponents MindGames power in effect. Then the opponent gets to choose which goes first. If the opponent chooses the Chaos Gym effect first then his Mind Games will not subsequently trigger.

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posted July 07, 2003 09:11 AM      Profile for ShadowCard      Edit/Delete Post Report This Thread to Moderators
I guess I was never really happy with this one....
If/When Nintendo establishes their chat dates for questions, you can ask them if they'll consider changing the ruling [Big Grin]

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