Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

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well you can't get worried about some1 like palkia because you should have multiple gliscors out in witch if they kill ur lvl X, you can hopefully get it back with night maintenance
 
the60746 said:
lol dawn stadium does not mean auto loss. you guys are not looking deep enough. we are not pestering you all day and hoping you flip tails on burns and poison kills you, we hit you for 60 and run, last I checked dawn stadium doesn't stop that. yes we have pester to blow up on something but it is mainly a hit and run deck
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You must be referring to the lol 9 W Energy Kingdra Deck in the Articles, because higher energy variants basically just Aqua Stream anything in their way if Dragon Pump won't take it out. That's what mine does anyway. Unless you're throwing Wailord or Leafeon Lv. X up there, chances are I'll have built up enough energy to wipe out whatever is facing me.

What Dawn Stadium does is essentially let Kingdra attack on the turn after Gliscor Lv. X paralyzed it. Kingdra can one-hit anything in the Gliscor Lv. X line. Once Gliscor Lv. X is out of your hand, you need a Premier ball, Time-Space-Distortion or Nightly Maintenance to get it back.

Palkia Lv. X is only a dangerous tech in a Kingdra Deck because it will actually have W energy on it. Anywhere else you just bring the Palkia in and resume doing what you were doing.

60 Damage is impotent, especially when Kingdra starts at 60 and can do up to whatever the player wants depending on how much energy is in there. My friend who runs the deck waits until I am in the kill zone and then strikes, using the para loop as a shield. It is quite annoying, but very effective.
 
Ya because dawn exist, when paralyzing a water/grass poke, gliscor doesnt stay out, this is also true cause of warp point. If we every stay out after lvling up it is to pester. We know kingdra OHKOs the whole line, hence mime and the whole ..... running thing. And many kingdra decks play up to 14 water energy, but unless u have god draws and the like, you wont have a serious amount of water to aqua stream with until t5 on .... but since you offered absolutely nothing to this thread, here is a bit of information

Did you know that kingdra is a water pokemon? I just figured since you like stating the obvious and not reading or paying attention to anything, I'd leave you with that.
 
rroaryh said:
Ya because dawn exist, when paralyzing a water/grass poke, gliscor doesnt stay out, this is also true cause of warp point. If we every stay out after lvling up it is to pester. We know kingdra OHKOs the whole line, hence mime and the whole ..... running thing. And many kingdra decks play up to 14 water energy, but unless u have god draws and the like, you wont have a serious amount of water to aqua stream with until t5 on .... but since you offered absolutely nothing to this thread, here is a bit of information

Did you know that kingdra is a water pokemon? I just figured since you like stating the obvious and not reading or paying attention to anything, I'd leave you with that.
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And your presumptuousness precedes you. I did not know that, oh wise pokemon expert.

How ever would I have figured that out without you?

Adding nothing to the thread? The only thing you added was needless pomposity. I would love to hear your explanation of how Mr. Mime retreats every turn. Moonlight Stadium, perhaps? Oh, but that is mutually exclusive with Dawn Stadium. Attaching in Unown Q? That certainly works, at the cost of a potential bad start and getting donked.

Never mind that nothing Gligar or Mime does stops my from playing trainers, building up the Kingdra I have on the bench with 3 energy so Mime becomes a non-issue, or using Regi Move if you made the unwise decision not to have a Mime Jr. under it. Which gets it out of my face and can power up Aqua Stream.

Unless you can find a Gliscor deck that can win by T5 against Kingdra of all things, i don't think it matters. Once Claydol and Regice are on the bench, Building up Aqua Stream is a breeze. I can Discard any extra water I have after my attachment just for kicks.

Now maybe I shouldn't have said "almost always auto-loss vs. Kingdra using Dawn Stadium." But you could have said that without being a condescending punk. Thank you for lowering the bar in what was otherwise a productive topic, we could never have done it without you.
 
"presumptuousness" <---- Don't use such big words, seeing as you sound as if you believe you may be the know-it-all of life itself. =(

"Now maybe I shouldn't have said "almost always auto-loss vs. Kingdra using Dawn Stadium." But you could have said that without being a condescending punk. Thank you for lowering the bar in what was otherwise a productive topic, we could never have done it without you." <--- Your biased statement led to an argument you didn't feel like backing up. Which also resulted in another defensive biased statement. Ohhhh, condescending, big words make me cool right? Ok here lemme try one... "Pnumonoultramicroscopicsiliconvolcanoconiosis" And yes it's a word. Look it up. I may have mispelled it but oh well. Not perfect. Again, sorry.

"Unless you can find a Gliscor deck that can win by T5 against Kingdra of all things, i don't think it matters. Once Claydol and Regice are on the bench, Building up Aqua Stream is a breeze. I can Discard any extra water I have after my attachment just for kicks." <--- And? No Gliscor unless it donks something, will not win T5. Just won't. And good for discarding energy? Mimey laughs at the free attack cost or possibly one (oh no!) turning it into 3. Too bad you can't one shot Mime then huh?

"Never mind that nothing Gligar or Mime does stops my from playing trainers, building up the Kingdra I have on the bench with 3 energy so Mime becomes a non-issue, or using Regi Move if you made the unwise decision not to have a Mime Jr. under it. Which gets it out of my face and can power up Aqua Stream." <--- So we play two Mimeys on the field to say screw you to Regice. Then you're back to square one. Oops. Wasted Power and sucks for that. Oh wait, you'll counter this statement with "no actually it's not wasted because I can Aqua Stream them" right? Ok. And? So you use them later and not now. What's it matter?


"Adding nothing to the thread? The only thing you added was needless pomposity. I would love to hear your explanation of how Mr. Mime retreats every turn. Moonlight Stadium, perhaps? Oh, but that is mutually exclusive with Dawn Stadium. Attaching in Unown Q? That certainly works, at the cost of a potential bad start and getting donked." <---You mean just like a Regice start for you is a donked situation? Oops did I mention that little possibility? Every deck has a "not-so-prefered" start ya know. Kingdra isn't flawless by any means. And in all your posts you mention Aqua Pump being an OHKO on all things in Gligar. So? You sacrifice the ability to hit Gligar AT ALL, just to OHKO the pawns like Mime and Venomoth in one hit? Uhhh.... sweet why didn't you just say "I'll play into your hand" from the beginning and not attack people in response to your own mis-use of words? -shrug-

Go ahead and attack me pal. I'm not too far from certain your one of the many people who will try and find some reason to attack me because I am trying to even the playing field here, and you don't like it. So you are welcome to do what ya please. Idc.
 
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lolganium said:
you again, i justt seen your biast post inthe AMU thread.

look people: i know this is a thread for a deck be make sure that you arent biased towards it in figuring logical matchups.

think about what this deck is for a sec. all you've done is try to recreate polistal. everyone hates polistall!!!

king is one of those decks that will be able to pull out of lame situations. how you ask? simple: kingdra combos with claydol, claydol makes it faster, simple as. that means you got a 4-3-4 and a 2-2 line in a deck. tech space anyone? why not throw in a 1-0-1 metagross into kingra? okay its flip but it does the job. or even a 1-1 palkia? that'll also be a huge problem. you arent thinking of both angles, but filling out biased statements that follow your biased logic....
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Because my opinion differs from yours, I'm somehow biased? That's odd, seeing as how You said "king is one of those decks that can pull out of lame situations" just because you have plenty of room in your deck, that doesn't mean you can pull out of every situation.

Besides, I'm well aware that Metagross with Kingdra simply destroys Gliscor, I believe I have already mentioned this. However, I don't see the complete usefulness of Metagross in other match ups. Most people playu Regice, so they don't feel the need to run Metagross. Regice is a basic, a water type, and fuels Kingdra's first attack. Because of all of these elements working for Regice, the majority of Kingdra players would not run Metagross unless they specificly wanted to beat Scorpio.
 
Metagross is good in a LOT more matchups than just this one for Kingdra (and Luxray for that matter). Just for example they do 60 to the active and 20 to a benched Claydol. Next turn they use Metagross to brink up Claydol for the OHKO. That works against a lot of decks and can freqently be better than discarding 2 with Regice.
 
IM telling you from experience in watching Kingdra play (my bro plays it) and I don't think it could pull out a Metagross until way too late in the game. with discarding the cards from the hand, its hard enough to get a claydol out.
 
lol, you must be watching a bad one.
Just so im not spamming though, i do feel a properly teched King could give scorpio problems.
 
yes of course. ANd if I play a teched GG with scizor and toxicroak and sableye and maybe electrode and take out the gardy, gallade, and noir i can wint he mirror ... but I lose who I am.

And since it is my kingdra you accuse of being awful .... allow me to retort. My kingdra is blanketed for playtesting. I will tech it when I think I see a metagame developing, until then techs are junk cards more so than not. My kingdra deck consistently gets a kingdra fast and consistently does than get claydol. Where do I have trouble? When I have to rush so hard that I cant keep cards in my hand for the desire/need to discard them, as soon as I have pressured enough I get claydol, then with claydol I can get anything, but that would require getting Gross AFTER CLaydol.


Now for all you kingdra players (I am one) or AMU players who dont seem to get this. Please read this thread, this whole thread. Get the jist if you must. But if you post something that we have accepted or already shot down you will only upset the educated and skilled players who are trying to have a higher level of debate, repetition is not debate. Children use repetition. I eat children.

Now, for every person who repeat posts a counter .... I'll kill a puppy.

ROr
 
After playing this deck at league (Shedinja version), the biggest issue I had was an unfavorable prize exchange. Once my opponent got a bulkly Stage 2 or Stage 1 Pokemon out that was capable of doing 80+ damage, they usually took 2 prizes to my 1. It didn't matter that they couldn't hit Gliscor Lv. X because they just KO'd everything else. I like the deck. It's a lot of fun to play, but I wanted to share my experience in hopes to make it better.

Thanks,
 
japple52 said:
After playing this deck at league (Shedinja version), the biggest issue I had was an unfavorable prize exchange. Once my opponent got a bulkly Stage 2 or Stage 1 Pokemon out that was capable of doing 80+ damage, they usually took 2 prizes to my 1. It didn't matter that they couldn't hit Gliscor Lv. X because they just KO'd everything else. I like the deck. It's a lot of fun to play, but I wanted to share my experience in hopes to make it better.

Thanks,
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I think that has been the problem with the shedinja version. Ideally, they have soo many of 1 stage 1 out, that by taking that one prize, they set themselves up to lose several more to gliscor X. The shedinja version has to play more aggressively. Such as, they take out ur shedinja and you begin pester swarming, first off with a level up if you can, then darkrais until u have another ninja. IT is all about trying to lose that 1 prize for a more favorable setup, which isnt always possible.

Ror
 
japple52 said:
After playing this deck at league (Shedinja version), the biggest issue I had was an unfavorable prize exchange. Once my opponent got a bulkly Stage 2 or Stage 1 Pokemon out that was capable of doing 80+ damage, they usually took 2 prizes to my 1. It didn't matter that they couldn't hit Gliscor Lv. X because they just KO'd everything else. I like the deck. It's a lot of fun to play, but I wanted to share my experience in hopes to make it better.

Thanks,
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this is another reason why I like my mime version, in which it comes down to card advantage. yes it takes me longer to kill your stage 2 than it is for u to kill my lone basic, but at the end i lost one card (mime) and you lost 1 basic, 1 stage1/candy 1 stage 2, and any energy attached to it at the time (wich should be at least 3 due to mime) and shedinja is more cards you lose and time it took you to set that shedinja up. other decks lose time and card advantage against gliscor
 
vanderbilt_grad said:
Metagross is good in a LOT more matchups than just this one for Kingdra (and Luxray for that matter). Just for example they do 60 to the active and 20 to a benched Claydol. Next turn they use Metagross to brink up Claydol for the OHKO. That works against a lot of decks and can freqently be better than discarding 2 with Regice.
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Exactly! Metagross is great against any deck and IMHO techable in any deck with candy. While AMU is building their Mesprit on the bench just reversal it and see ya. As has been mentioned a thousand times - regice is not the answer to mime - they can just bring up another!!!
 
look kingdra CAN kill it becsue there is no such thing as an auto loss however its not very likely. the only thing IMO that has a desent chance it a sniper deck not a rush deck
 
mewoxys666 said:
"The 'trade off' that you're talking about is pointless, if I bring whatever I need to BACK the next turn, care of Premier ball, etc.

Mime is owned by Mewtwo Lv.X - he requires 3 energy already. One Psyburn and poor Mime is gone without a second thought. You nightslash, bring out... er... anything... and it is owned by Mewtwo Lv.X -again-. All while not even being slightly worried about my pixies. That's 2 - 1 prizes, and you have to work to get out another mime / etc, when I just premier ball / NM - Bebe out Mewtwo Lv. X again [ if I even -need- to. ]

Mime isn't a threat to -this- AMU deck. I use Mime against Kingdra myself, and it is a heck of a staller against kingdra. I don't think I argued about it against kingdra itself, albeit, with a regice, no one will care about Mime in the first place.

Like I said. I'm all for healthy play. I'm not saying Scorpio is a bad deck in the slightest. I'm merely protesting the thought that it'll WTFPWN AMU without even worrying about it. I would absolutely love to test against it.

Don't read me wrong, bro. S'all I'm saying"

Isn't...worth...it? Uhh.... hmm lemme think about that. So are you telling me, that I should sack my Gliscor instead then? I mean seeing as Venomoth shouldn't be attacking, and is meant to die, and the strategy is to attack with Gliscor and run behind the walls (Veno, Shuckle, Mime), I think that "trade-off" is very "worth it" indeed. That s'all I'm saying as well. Not to mention do you bother to equate Poison Shoot locking Mewtwo into the active without a switch card like your treasured little Warp Point? If anyone is biased... Oh Umbreon, I found through playing this deck that Armaldo is a HUGE problem for me. Even with Pester at disposal, it still resists Night Slash and the hit-and-run strategy of the deck. What would you do against it?
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Switch or Warp Point. I run enough that even mid-game I should have one readily at my disposal. Your ONE poison shoot doesn't scare me in the least. 2 prizes [ 2 mimes? ] to one Mewtwo Lv. X is not card advantage. Veno would at least stand for more than a turn against Mewtwo, unless I choose to blow it up in favor of the quick KO. You say you get card advantage, I disagree, due to the very nature of the deck I'm running.

Irregardless, as of today, I built the Scorpio deck listed on the front page. I tested against it with AMU. My friend [ who, may not be the best of players, but isn't a spaz, either ] ran the scorpio deck, and lost with it: Every time it took him two turns to KO one of my pokemon, was 1 turn it took me to knock out his. Like I put in previous statements, the tradeoff wasn't worth it.

Rroaryh - Just because you have 'accepted' or 'shot down' a response doesn't mean you're right. Theory and playability are two separate things. In theory I'll t2 200 you every game. Five turns in a row.
Just like in theory for Scorpio, Gliscor Lv.X will never get hit. Ever. Debate is about making your opponent see what you see. Until you've accomplished that goal, the debate isn't over.

Repetition is also a valid debate tactic, using different words to reiterate a point in a way your opponent might understand. The fact that you and yours still don't seem to understand the concept of 'best possible outcome theory ' and 'average case scenario' indicates repetition on your part as well, when you haven't actually finished the debate. I explain why I 1 shot your mime, you say you bring up another. I 1 shot that mime, you say you NM, bring up another. [ after KOing my Mewtwo Lv.X, of course ]. So I take a turn, get set up through appropriate energy switching and placement [ so that I'm set up in two turns again ] and we repeat the process, while I hide behind MY Mr. Mime.

2 - 1 prize exchange is bad.
 
Venjamin: Umm.... yay for Warp Point? So automatically you assume you hold a Warp Point on every occasion I use Shoot Poison? Umm.. though you only had 1-2? =( Now onwards to logic, you cannot argue this with me over a forum. Play test a decent player who knows what to do and when to do it, you may seem some real differences. Till then I can't see things your way. I have my logic you got yours. Sorry. =/
 
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