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Could AMU be the new best deck?

Magic Mew

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AMU has won the last 3 Oregon City Championships in the Masters division. These have all had a high turnout, with 40-50 masters and a top 8 consisting of players from all over Oregon and even from Washington. Yesterday at the Portland CC (which set the record for the largest CC in the country with 112 people) AMU took both 1st and 2nd. Yet in all these tournaments there were only two AMU decks in the whole field. Is this a fluke of the Oregon metagame or could we be seeing something like Speed Spread in 2007? Most people credited Speed Spread as the best deck (it won Nationals and Worlds), but few people used the deck because it was so hard to play.

What does everyone think about this? Has anyone noticed this anywhere else?
 
Well, both AMU and Speed Spread have 1 thing in common: Price. Both were/are veryyy costly, and in AMU especially, there is no undercut. If you only have 1 of each Lv. X due to budget, don't plan on winning (I know from personal experience).
 
Well, both AMU and Speed Spread have 1 thing in common: Price. Both were/are veryyy costly, and in AMU especially, there is no undercut. If you only have 1 of each Lv. X due to budget, don't plan on winning (I know from personal experience).

Amu uses one of each LV X....
You can have all 3 for less than 2 Claydol GE...
 
It's probaly because champ is very uncommon there. Also AMU isn't that expensive. I mean they only have like 3 or 4 lv.xs I run 1 of each and maybe 2 azelf and 1 palkia or mewtwo. It's not that expensive. Compare that to the ex format when a ton of decks ran like 5 or 6 exs and each was no less than 10. The budget is nothing. Back on topic. The meta in Oregon is probaly different. Champ and gengar arn't really that common I guess. Both of them beat AMU at least that what I think. Kingdra is a close match with AMU. Gigas is also close but without a plus power gigas can't one shot the lv.x and mesprit one shots a gigas. That hurts. Also Palkia can be played in AMU too. Mesprit hurts gigas a lot more than AMU. Against dusknoir mesprit one shots a noir and unwon g is played to hurt the SF1 one. It's second attack is painful but an extra energy attachment works. It's still good especailly if champ and gengar isn't common.
 
UMA just folds to any deck that can consistently pull T1/T2 powerhouses. Also, beating Abomasnow is no easy task. With these all being bad match ups for the deck, I classify this as fluke.
 
depeding on the matchups the AMU deck gets it can easily make top 2, it also deals with luck. My opinion is that while AMU is good, there is stuff that can beat it. Gengar, Machamp, and Abomasnow all give AMU a hard time.
 
AMU is good. But it pretty much folds to dusknoir and mewtwo. I am assuming these are rarely played where you are and that is why they won. I know it has a good regigigas and kingdra matchup.

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Abomasnow doesn't give it a hard time. I supreme, you snow play. I heal most or all of the damage next turn and ko you the following turn. Along w/ some ssu amu beats abomasnow.
 
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hi, i am one of the AMU players from oregon and i have won 2 of the last 3 cities with an AMU/mewtwo/palkia variant (also had a 3rd place finish in another tourney). this cities season in swiss play i am 25-7, never going worse than 4-2. i thought i would post to clear a few things up and to offer my opinion on others about this deck.

yes there is very little machamp in the oregon meta-game. it made top 8 at one recent cities and got bounced in the first round. machamp seems to have a very hard time against non-AMU/regigigas decks at the highest level. dusknoir is everywhere in the oregon metagame. i routinely beat dusknoir variants with AMU even with keeping my bench at three (for my first cities win i beat two dusknoir decks as well as a tyrantiar deck with a dark palm tech, all three players managed to get the dark palm guy established, i simply adjusted). IMO people are simply mistaken thinking that dusknoir has an advantage over AMU. despite the recent success of AMU the only person playing mewtwo in their deck is, well, me. all the dusknoir or gengar players seem more interested in teching in cresselia, starmie or bronzong than using mewtwo. besides let them try to play mewtwo, see if i let it live long enough to level up. gengar is a very tough matchup but not undoable (i beat a gengar/dusknoir variant in the round of 8 yesterday 2-0). a lot of it depends on luck and how the gengar player flips on fainting spell. also, tm-2 de-evolutor makes rare candied gengars very unhappy.
AMU is as tough a deck to play as i have ever run. you always have to be thinking two turns ahead. opponents tell me it is incredibly difficult to face because never know what it is going to do. this might be the turn where it supreme blasts for the third consecutive turn for 200 if i hit my energy pickup flip, or maybe it uses healing bell to patch up the entire bench, or maybe it will simply put a sacrificial pokemon active while charging up on the bench. because of all of the basics it is very hard to T2 donk with kingdra or such (i think i am like 7-0 against kingdra). in playtesting against machamp it all depended on setup. if i could avoid the t2 machamp and get unown g attached then i felt i had a reasonable chance. you would think luxray would have an insurmountable advantage over AMU but it doesn't and, like dusknoir, i have faced enough of them that my opponents have trained me in how to beat them now. spread attackers in general don't give AMU a hard time (though my one loss yesterday was to a abomasnow/weavile/bronzong rogue) because healing bell is stronger than any of their spread attacks. with nothing to KO through a cheap de-volution it takes a long time to grind down those high HP basics.

lastly let me just say that AMU is a deck that benefits from a large field of players because it is easy to overlook. two AMU players in a field of 44 is hard to tech against since there is a real good chance you will never face one of us (as opposed to the ten dusknoir players or the 3-5 kingdra players). also, AMU definitely benefits from a top 8 cut. for whatever reason i cannot get it to go undefeated, but it will routinely go 4-1. 4-1 is great but not always good enough to make top 4. OTOH i can pretty much always make top 8 and against the other archetypes which have survived the gauntlet, i don't believe any of them have an advantage over me.

i don't know what else to say. if anyone has any questions i will happily answer them.
 
AMU beats Abomasnow pretty easily. The healing is beastly. And if Machamp doesn't donk in the first turn or two, it's crap, against anything.

AMU is a really good deck, but you're right, it is really hard to play.

I still think Gengar is BDIF, but AMU and Torterra are close behind.
 
I'm currantly playing AMU. (With two of each Lv.X) I got 2nd at the Cities I went to. I went 4-1 in the swiss. I have quite a few interesting techs that most people wouldn't expect. I'm not going to list them though. So far I've found my match-ups with the most commen decks to be this:

Vs Machamp 70-30
Vs Abamasnow veriants 80-20
Vs Dusknoir 20-80
Vs Kingdra 70-30
Empoleon variants 40-60
Vs AMU 90-10
Magnazone 40-60
Tyranitar 60-40
Tangroth/Septile 70-30

The problem was that I couldn't play in many Cities because I was judging in 4 of them.
 
^i think 3-1 uxie is the way to go since you want to be able to have a constant draw source, and you can only use one trade-off per turn. mesprit is definitely 2-2 though. no questions asked.
 
Mesprit can be easily be played as 3-1. The Psychic Bind Mesprit is extremely good and yuo really should be running two of them. As long as you run enough Night Maintenance/Premier Ball 3-1 Mesprit is better then 2-2.
 
Everyone's playstyle is different, but I've found that 2-2 is the best way to go. I think that most of the players doing well with the deck would agree.
 
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