I had some frustrations with the way things went - specifically an incident in T128 where I lost on time, asked for a time extension, and was denied said extension by both the judge (Prime) and the HJ (lawman) despite my opponent not only receiving a slow play warning from Mr. Meches, but him admitting that he did in fact play slow. You can't really do anything either, since judging proactively determined the time my opponent used to be unequal.
The rationale? It wasn't written on the slip at the time, so it didn't make the match eligible for a time extension. I was kind of shocked that this kind of thing would actually happen, especially when a staff claims that it doesn't tolerate unfair slow play...Why, it even said so on that sheet each player received on Friday!
When it's established that an unfairness occurred in a match, you don't cop out to "well this is the technicality we're going to screw you over on" - you remedy it.
I ruled straight from the guidelines and precedent. If the time extension wasn't given at the time the penalty was assessed, then I cannot go back and add time to the match at the end, when you suddenly need it. He rec'd a warning. A warning does not = auto time extension. The entire judge team was aware of how the time extentsion would be handled. If you felt like a time extension was necessary, why didnt you ask for one when the ruling was handed down?? You have that right to appeal that part to the HJ too. Dont tell me you dont know the rules Kettler!
7.4.1. Slow Play
Players should take care to play in a manner that keeps the game pace brisk, regardless of the complexity of the situation. A player who takes too long to make decisions about game play runs the risk of putting his or her opponent at a disadvantage due to the round’s time limit. In addition to the recommended penalty, the judge may issue a time extension to offset this disadvantage.Examples of Game Tempo: Slow Play include:
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You are excessively slow when deciding which Pokémon to attach an Energy card to. Pokémon Organized Play Penalty Guidelines
Rev: September 1, 2009
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You take an unreasonable amount of time deciding which Basic Pokémon to take from your deck after playing a Poké Ball card.
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Counting or searching your (or your opponent’s) deck or discard pile more than once in a short time period.
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Repeatedly searching your deck, hand, or discard pile while performing a card effect.
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Attempting to engage in extraneous conversation that interferes with timely play.
Recommended Starting Penalty:
Tier 1: Caution
Tier 2: Warning
See above. A Judge MAY give an extension. Not shall. And it occurs when the penalty is given. And, now the Tourney Rules 5.3.1
5.3.1. Lengthy Rulings
In the event of a ruling that takes more than three minutes, the judge may extend the
match time. As game rulings are a standard part of tournament play, these extensions
rarely need to be on a one‐for‐one basis, and only need be applied as the result of a
complicated ruling, or when it takes longer than normal for a judge to reach a match.
The extra time allotted must be clearly communicated to both players and recorded
immediately by the judge.
Again, see the bolded areas. The ruling didnt take 3 mins or more to make. He made a slow move and got tagged. If he did it again, bad things could happen ie PL, GL, time extension. The ext. MUST be recorded immediately, not when you ask for one at the end of time.
Your oppo admitted that he took some time on whichever play/search he made. He was tagged with a penalty. Did you appeal at that point? NO! You waited until the match was over and you needed time then. You had the entire match to get ahead and you wait til the end to appeal to HJ? Sorry, I cannot help you or any player at that point.
Keith
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@the Lurb: This thread isnt about judge comp. Judge comp usually comes out of the TO/PTO's pocket. They decide what to give. Dont try to hijack the thread with that junk. Stick with the topic please.
Keith
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