how much of that '20 minutes' between rounds is the time it takes players to be seated?
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lol, you can change the settings on your keyboard to influence how fast it repeats itself and how long it takes to start repeating...Ryan, I'm going to time the length of 15 seconds for you by holding down my dash (-) key. Let's see how long 15 seconds really is...
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That was 480 dashes. Holding it down for 15 seconds. This is not an especially fast computer (3 yr old HP laptop running Vista). Try it out for yourself. You'll be surprised at exactly how long 15 seconds truly is.
Another assumption that you're making is that all players are high level players. News flash: THEY ARE NOT. In fact, I'd venture to say that most players out there don't really understand what Slow Play truly is. That is at least one of the reasons Judges exist. To inform players of the rules and regulations and to enforce them as consistently as possible across the entire event.
Are we perfect at this goal? No. Show me a single game that requires non-automated Judging where the Judges themselves ARE perfect. That's called living in a dream world. Do we do the best that we can with the tools that we're given? I'd like to think that we, on the whole, do.
Once again, if there are any problems with the Judging staff or with one Judge in particular, email PCI using their [email protected] email address. I'm certain that every email is reviewed, and every issue is taken to heart as much as possible. Please, though, only report issues to which you have first hand knowledge. It makes the entire process that much more efficient.
With regards to my more recent posts in this topic, please keep in mind that I can't stand the, "circle the wagons" mentality every time somebody has a complaint about staff (no matter how valid). lolI was simply stating a solution to the problem that SD-Pokemom kept bringing up. Its probably not the only solution but was the first I thought of, and obviously did not consider budget. Also, as you stated it would probably only be necessary at big events so it would be something POP invested in for Nationals/ Worlds. I did not intend the topic to veer off into this area, and apologize about it. However if it was going to continue being brought up as if there was no way to avoid spending twenty minutes in between rounds, I felt the need to show that there are indeed ways to trim the time.
Again, my main beef is with the current guidelines and their improvement.
Drew its $10,000 for an entry level model . POP would need more than one. Those big inflatables look good value compared to fast continuous laser printers that are only used a couple of times a year I would complain bitterly if POP spent that kind of money on printers or if they spent $100,000 on a good one.
PL is the next step up from a warning. As it is the first penalty that really bites it should never be given lightly. But that isn't an arguement that it should never be given. Of course I don't know the specifics of your situation so please don't read this an attack on you when it isn't. I'm still taking in general: warnings can escalate into PL.
Where is this idea coming from. Not from me or other staff I've associated with. Isn't there just a possibility that it is a straw man that is coming from the players?ruiner said:The idea that a player should be restricted to a monotonous 20 seconds between every play is completely counter-intuitive to how good in game strategic processes occur
Ryan: I've worked a huge number of big events. Both for WotC and for Pokemon.
A 20 minute turnaround, including seating time, for an event the size of US Nationals is not an issue.
Half, if not more, of that time is the players finding their seating assignment, getting to it, getting set up and ready to play.
You're putting a significant portion of the time onto one element.
It just ain't gonna make a significant difference.
Ryan has hit on one of the main problems. Most judges adhere to the guidelines very strictly when most of the time they should not do so.
A states where 3 people were all discovered to have decklists that were off by one or two cards:
The 2 local players got to keep playing and the out of state player got a DQ.
Some PTOs and Judges circled the wagons and started shouting that there was nothing wrong about how it was handled.
People don't have problems with all judges (not the sane people anyways), but there are bad judges that simply continue to be bad judges and it seems like just about every staff-oriented person on Pokegym jumps in to defend the staff of any other event, regardless of what happened.
If you consider that the staff can punch in the winners/losers for every match that has been reported prior to the end of the round, but they can't have the program pair the matches for the next round until everything is in, and then they still get to print up match slips for every match (no small task at something like Nats) and they still have to post the pairings and allow enough time for the players to be seated. . . 20 minutes isn't that insane.
Lawman said:Take all complaints to OP via their email. [email protected] works.
Lawman said:If you still believe an error was made, email OP and tell them. [email protected]
Biggie (TPCi) said:If you feel that a judge is detrimental to your area, we need to know about it so that we can look ino the situation and come to our own conclusions.
EeveeLover said:Plain and simple, if a Judge messes things up and makes bad calls, TPCi won't bring them back.
PokeDad said:If you have a specific problem with a judge, a ruling, an attitude, a behavior, then write the powers that be and be as specific as you can; [email protected] is where you send your message.
MrMeches said:If you as a Player have a specific concern about a particular Judge, feel free to contact [email protected] and let them know. When using the link, be specific to the situation YOU encountered and how it was dealt with…we are continually evolving and this includes the Admin area. You the Players help that, but only when done correctly which is using: [email protected].
MeMeches said:If you as a Player have a specific concern(s) about a particular Judge, feel free to contact [email protected] and let them know. When using the link, be specific to the situation YOU encountered and how it was dealt with.
bullados said:if there are any problems with the Judging staff or with one Judge in particular, email PCI using their [email protected] email address. I'm certain that every email is reviewed, and every issue is taken to heart as much as possible. Please, though, only report issues to which you have first hand knowledge.
Jeremy Badeaux said:here are bad judges that simply continue to be bad judges and it seems like just about every staff-oriented person on Pokegym jumps in to defend the staff of any other event, regardless of what happened.
People have trouble with the growing, "blue wall of silence" mentality in regards to how staffing issues are handled.
When a topic comes up where somebody was harassed by a judge at an event and I can safely assume that there will be at least one post attacking the victim for not doing enough to fix a problem that shouldn't have ever existed, then something is seriously wrong.
People are potentially missing trips to worlds over bad judging calls and they are attacked for it because of some notion that anything against one judge is something against all judges.
After all of those people bringing up real problems and being attacked for it, groups of people are finally asking why there are constant issues with judges and now the good judges are picking up a persecution complex over something that was never aimed at them in the first place.
There will always be whiners who get angry when a judge makes a good call and it costs them a game, but creating a wall to shield yourselves from addressing real problems is seen as less than satisfactory by many people it would seem.