jeffrey123
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The OP is clearly too young to understand what to do in such a situation. Most likely a junior or senior. Leave him alone. Discuss the topic, DO NOT attack the kid. Thanks.
Another question asked separately.
The person who is driving is going a car 80 MPH in a 60 MPH speed limit zone.
Do you :
1. Do Nothing because there is no harm and it is a open interstate.
2. Tell your friend to slow down to the speed limit.
3. Call 911, Tell your friend to pull off at the nearest exit, so that a police officer can write him a ticket.
I know the answer to this question for most people, and I know the answer to the original question for most people too.
That doesn't change the fact that he witnessed cheating and did nothing. It should be a matter of common sense
The OP is clearly too young to understand what to do in such a situation. Most likely a junior or senior. Leave him alone. Discuss the topic, DO NOT attack the kid. Thanks.
Remember, the OP is YOUNG. You are not. We are expected to make decisions like this maybe around 14+, OP is much younger than that.
He is a SR that won MS States this year. Name is I...... W. (he put his own last name in the T4 for who won STP's). He said if he did it, he would call a judge. If it was HIS game, he would call a judge. He was not going to TELL on anyone else. He knows what to do, he choose to come here to laugh about it 1st....then backtracked. NOT the type of SotG I, or the Schells (who run MS events) would care for!
Keith
Pokémon.com Tournament Rules said:Honesty: Players of any game should strive to act honestly while playing that game. If a player inadvertently breaks a rule during a game and becomes aware of the error before his or her opponent or a judge, that player should make the opponent and the judge aware of the misplay.
Having just gone through both the Tournament Rules and Penalty Guidelines listed on Pokémon.com, I can find no reason to believe I am required to report gamesmanship if I witness it but am not part of the game.
Not required to tell anyone. You may be right. I just hope the next opponent he cheats isnt you! If we catch cheaters at the lower levels, they probably dont get to Reg's, Nats etc. If they are allowed to "get away with it" at these events, then they will cheat someone else again. Next time, it might be someone closer and dearer to you.
Why let anyone get away with cheating?? That is what I dont get. Settle the games at the tables, not by shenanigans. If we label a cheat a cheat, then maybe we can rid the game of them.
Keith
Having just gone through both the Tournament Rules and Penalty Guidelines listed on Pokémon.com, I can find no reason to believe I am required to report gamesmanship if I witness it but am not part of the game.
Pokemon.com said:Fairness: Games cease to be fun when players break the rules to achieve victory. A player should prefer to lose a game than to win by cheating.
Pokemon.com said:Regardless of the size of the prizes on the line, adherence to the Spirit of the Game helps to ensure that all participants, including players, spectators, and event staff at a Pokémon TCG event, have an enjoyable experience. This spirit should guide the conduct of players as well as the tournament judges as they interpret and enforce the rules.
Pokemon.com said:Fun: The Pokémon TCG is a game, and games are meant to be fun for all parties involved. When a game ceases to be fun, players find other things to do.
Ok I'm really sorry.... Next time I'll notify a judge.. I won't keep it to my selfBox, you're right, the kid, after playing and winning many tournaments, may not know what to do when he sees a cheater. Perhaps players would benefit from familiarizing themselves with the tenets we all play by, in the Spirit Of The Game: Fun, Fairness, Honesty, Respect, Sportsmanship, and Learning.
That said, "nor are players expected to act honestly when they are not playing a game." Did you really say that Box? Do you really advocate a complete repudiation of the tenets of our game?
Is it Fun if you were cheated to find this kid laughing at you afterward online? Has this multiple tournament champion fostered Fairness in the games he observed? Is it Honest to bring up a problem, casting it as humorous, when you knowingly allowed someone to be cheated? Does letting fellow players suffer cheating constitute Respect for the game, your fellow competitors, yourself? Does giving cover to cheaters, through silence, best exemplify Sportsmanship?
Most importantly, can something be learned from all of this? I would hope that this kid looks at his victories, his medals, his championships, his awards, his trips, his invitations and feels that they are a gift, but the gift has a price. The price is being a decent human being, modeling SOTG for younger players who follow in your path, and doing the right thing when it is called for at tournaments to ensure the win and ratings points awarded in a game in MS is as legitimate as the win and ratings points earned elsewhere. You are the keeper of integrity, your own, and the game's. What you do with it is up to you, but it is how a man shall be judged by other men of honor.
Kill the kid for messing up? No. But seriously, his folks, his friends, his fellow players, his judges and his TOs should nudge him onto a better path.
And to tone down the sanctimony. My kid messes up every day. I mess up every day. Hopefully our mess ups are small, but small or large, it is more important that we identify our failings and work to correct them.
Good luck and cheers.
I want to see if I can get this site in check. He has only been playing a little over a year and is 12 years old. I called and talked to him to get to the root of this. The short story is he did not see it himself, and a friend of his told him about it. He just wanted to know what to do and is trying to fit in. He is new to the whole posting thing and it got out of hand. I personally know this young man and he is very polite and respectful. He is welcome at any of our events. I told him in the future if he ever witnesses a person cheating he is to call a judge over, and he assured me that he would. So can we all please agree that if you see someone cheating call a judge over and if a young person posts a thread let’s not crucify him/her without all the evidence.
Thanks,
Kathy Schell
Proud wife of MS PTO Mike Schell and proud mother of Chris, Alan and Anna
The error does severe damage to the gamestate. But it is not an automatic game loss because there was a card effect in play (Cyrus) the shuffle of the hand is a big error but it may be recoverable. Unless I have it wrong that particular example in the penalty guidelines is reserved for when a player shuffles their hand away for no reason.
The player misplayed Cyrus in spectacular fashion but it is still a misplay of Cyrus and not a shuffle of the hand without card effect. Probably will be a game loss because the gamestate cannot be recovered. Though ending with the same penalty the justification is different.