Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Black and White Rules in Reguards to Naitonals

Status
Not open for further replies.
well see my thread! ive came up with a viable solution, all P!P has to do, is ban poke powers first turn.. i can see it viable, cos in the future, not many basics have poke powers, and poke powers will be phased out in time soon to come..

no powers, no uxie drop or bat drops first turn, simple =) means sableye cant overconfident for a lot of damage alr..
 
Someone PLEASE edit the title misspelling, I cringe every time I see it.

But on topic, we all know (the players) that an HGSS-on rotation makes the most sense, but we also know deep down it's not going to happen, sad but true. We can all just hope come September the new format is actually HGSS-on rather than any other, so we can enjoy the game with the new rules exactly as it was intended out to be in the first place.
 
purelyxc said:
well see my thread! ive came up with a viable solution, all P!P has to do, is ban poke powers first turn.. i can see it viable, cos in the future, not many basics have poke powers, and poke powers will be phased out in time soon to come..

no powers, no uxie drop or bat drops first turn, simple =) means sableye cant overconfident for a lot of damage alr..
Click to expand...

It could work, yes. However, I can't really see this happening. I don't think P!P is allowed in any way to create rules for the core game. I'm sure they have at least a bit of input, though. If they somehow convinced Japan to implement such a rule, the Japanese game would also have to be affected and in their HGSS-On format it's completely unnecessary.

As has been said, the best solution to the problem is an early rotation to HGSS-on, plain and simple. All of the cards not intended to work under the new rules would be purged in one fell swoop. Banning and limiting is not the solution because once say, Sableye and Cyrus are hit people will just start going down the list and crying out for other cards to be removed as well, and rightfully so. Why? Because no card prior to HGSS is designed for the Black & White era, period. Those cards should never be played with BW rules in competitive play under any circumstance.
 
If it suddenly moved to HGSS-ON Tommorow I wouldn't have any problem with it. The biggest reason why we have donk infested format over the last 2 years is because cards have been given 1 for 60/80 attacks. To me thats just bad and ill thought card design. I find it shocking that 2 for 40 and 3 for 70 is considered bad in relation to this format. If attacks like that were considered decent we would have much more better games where retreating and healing would become neccesary. It would also allow the better player to outplay the opponent in more balanced matchup.

Do PUSA have any communication with Japan? Personally, I wish PUSA didn't have any say in regard to rule changes/set rotation and we just let Japan dictate that for us. That way we don't get potentially broken combos with the older sets e.g. Gyarados (if we got catcher and max potion), or allow a card to become broken with a rule change i.e. Sableye.
 
Last edited:
I agree StormFront. To avoid these problems down the line we should probably just keep completely uniform with Japan in terms of rotation. Then we'll never have to worry about unintended card and rule interactions like this ever again.
 
Pablo said:
Someone PLEASE edit the title misspelling, I cringe every time I see it.

But on topic, we all know (the players) that an HGSS-on rotation makes the most sense, but we also know deep down it's not going to happen, sad but true. We can all just hope come September the new format is actually HGSS-on rather than any other, so we can enjoy the game with the new rules exactly as it was intended out to be in the first place.
Click to expand...

There's plenty of evidence that we will not have a mid-season rotation as much as we need it.

However my fear is that the next format is going to be RR-on. I worry about that being a mess too, though admittedly not as bad as MD-on.
 
RR-on doesn't seem all that terrible. It beheads the SP engine (Cyrus's Conspiracy) and kills off the key cards that are making SP so overpowered in the first place (Power Spray, Energy Gain). SP still has maneuverability in RR-on but its toolbox gets a lot smaller and less consistent.
 
Rainbowgym said:
Perhaps you don't understand the new rules, but you can grab Trainer-Items, which Expert Belt is under the new rules.



Junk are would "read": Discard 2 cards from your hand. Search your discard pile for a Trainer-Item card............
Click to expand...

Yes, but how would those same Trainer rules effect Marley's Request? Stadiums anybody? Yes please! I think that this alone may be the best hint at an immediate rotation of some type. With the new rules MR could be played in a way it was never intended to be played.

Pablo said:
Someone PLEASE edit the title misspelling, I cringe every time I see it.
Click to expand...

^And this guy's first language is Spanish! For shame all the speeling challenged Americans! J/K Jaeg!
 
Last edited:
yeah and also, to point out that a mid season rotation will affect the game a lot..
and the game will lose many fans especially those newly introduced players, whom use their money buying cards and all, and to learn a few weeks later that the cards they just painfully paid for are unusable..

guess we would see in the next two weeks to come.. worrying about this gets us no where, because i think that P!P wouldnt let the game die off to donks, for now we should just enjoy playing the game WITHOUT first turn trainers =)
 
^ New people should be buying HGSS on. I returned around Jan this year after leaving during Legends Awakened. It's common sense for a game that rotates out sets.
 
waynegg said:
Yes, but how would those same Trainer rules effect Marley's Request? Stadiums anybody? Yes please! I think that this alone may be the best hint at an immediate rotation of some type. With the new rules MR could be played in a way it was never intended to be played.
Click to expand...
Wanye: I'm sorry, I'm not at all seeing how the new rules would affect MR at all and especially how it would give it some extra advantage other than possibly picking up a Supporter one turn earlier, but only if Marley was played via an effect like Impersonate.
And that's pretty minor.

Please clarify.
 
The thing with RR-on is that we will still have at least part of the problem we have today. Decks like Charizard, Arceus, and Flygon will see play for a 3rd season. Decks like CurseGar will get through largely intact with Spiritomb.

I'm tired of stale formats where 3 year old cards are the basis of some of the best decks. I don't want that for ANOTHER year.
 
vanderbilt_grad said:
Decks like CurseGar will get through largely intact with Spiritomb.
Click to expand...

Yes and no.

They lose the trainer-lock Gastly, which made it two-fold starter problems for trainer heavy decks.

They lose Fainting Spell Gengar, which I always felt was at least tech'd into every CurseGar deck as a fall back option. The other AR Gengar/s aren't fantastic.

Rare candy nerf affects them, because BTS would be rotated out and they'd have to rely on it just as every other stage 2 deck would.

I'd say the deck would be slower (without uxie and a nerfed Rare Candy), would lack the proper tools (Gastly and Gengar) to be as potent as it once was.

Gengar Prime has very few ways to damage pokemon, and I don't think it would dominate in a RR-on format. It may be a contender, but I don't think it'd be as good as it is now, or atleast mostly which you suggest.
 
Most LostGar lists I've seen in the past few months don't run Candy now. The nerf would have no effect there.

Fainting spell Gengar is a loss ... but it's not like it's irreplaceable either. I've seen and tested lists without it now.

The real losses are Uxie and Unown Q, but in the absense of pressure from SP decks I feel like that's workable. All decks are going to suffer from Uxie being gone, but I will say that cards like Twins, Professer J, and a few others are going to be really helpful.

I'll get back to you on this once we really have a format announcement and I get to do more testing under that.
 
Cursegar would also not be ridiculously overpowered either. I'd say it would be pretty balanced, since it can't exploit any ridiculously fast trainers and would need a few turns to set up. After all, it really wasn't OP to begin with.

I would have no issues with anything AFTER Platinum. If Platinum is still in the format come next year, I will start throwing things. RR-on leaves Luxray and Garchomp, but we lose the entire engine that makes the deck relevant, so it wouldn't be that bad. SV-on we lose Luxray entirely which would also be nice as we dont even have to worry about a tech of it.

I'd personally love to see AR-on because it'd leave decks that never got to leave their mark on the format around. (Arceus and Charizard come to mind), both of which would be balanced enough to see play but not have to listen to people complain about them, but i'd also not oppose HG-SS on.
 
Depends.

Have you already got a ratings invite?
Would you take the ratings invite if you got it?
Is going to Worlds more important to you than going to Nats?
Would a couple of defeats in Swiss kill your ratings invite?

If the answer to those 4 questions is 'yes', then it isn't worth playing Nats. Especially as there is a decent chance of running into some random playing Sableye who will donk you before you have a chance to draw a card, let alone outplay them.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top