Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Format Change for Next Year - Possible Change for Nats and Worlds!

Positive Approach

I applaud all who have taken this announcement with positive enthusiasm. There was NO real solution to this problem that could EVER please everyone. So, we get BR w/ Sabledonk! People get to prove their point. Then we will have HGSS - On! As far as irrelevant cards purchased not long ago, we had an inkling that this would happen when Japan went HGSS-on earlier this year.

Let's just be very glad that P!P is listening and that our positive and detailed explanations of format and rules paid off! Thank you P!P for monitoring player concerns and taking action! Thanks to all of the players and testers that help keep the game fresh and the format competative & creative! :thumb:
 
All they have done is make a decision to maybe make a decison at a latter time, possibly, if it feels like it might be a good idea.

So actually nothing was done and we are stuck with Sableye donkfest for Battle Roads. And then the decision will be made. I was hoping to have the cut effective before battle roads, but hopefully it will be done before nationals and worlds. Can you imagine going to the Grinder and having a one pokemon start if they decide not to cut the format until after Worlds this year? Boy will you ever be sweating the flip of the cards to start the game.
 
After getting caught and hailed on in a heavy rainstorm while walking across campus, this announcement made my day!
 
I don't think they're crazy (or stupid) enough to announce this as a possibility, get everybody's hopes up, then not do it. That would be a wonderful way to not only shoot the Nationals attendance down, it would be a great way to leave a foul taste in people's mouths when it comes to the brass of this game.

I have faith that P!P will follow through, rotate, and prove finally that they, in fact, DO know what's going on out on the tables and that they're not just sitting in ivory plated offices, eating bon-bons and tossing darts onto a board to make their decisions.

I'm serious about that giftbasket guys.
 
I don't know, Ash would never back down from a challenge, he'd wait for the September rotation to take place and face the current obstacles with strength and might. Just my two cents.
 
question for biggie or pete.

the snivy block at league is starting soon, with tepig and oshawatt after that, one of which is likely out after the potential early rotation. snivy has bts in it so under this change it has a short time for people to earn and use it, so will the tepig/oshawatt deck staples have this short time or will they be hg/ss-on cards considering the last in the block would be mostly after the rotation
 
waynegg said:
Who's to say that lack of attendance due to Sableye isn't one of the metrics P!P will be paying attention to??? Just sayin...
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I'm not picking on you personally, adnd you might be right, but I want to offer these metrics that they hope to measure

Let's say the numbers aren't high but majority BR shows:

Scenario 1: Top 4 - All Sableye but the metagame was entirely sableye
Scenario 2: Top 4 - All Sableye but an evenly distributed metagame (sp, champ, vilegar, gdos w/e)
Scenario 3: Top 4 - Evenly distributed with a majority sableye metagame
Scenario 4: Top 4 - Evenly distributed with a evenly distributed metagame

Now what would be the purpose of this? To see if sableye is a real problem. Not showing up doesn't help because where can P!P collect the data? Sure, people didn't show because of sableye, but they could not have shown up because they had other motives (7/1 :wink:) For those that do not want a rotation, just go ahead and play sableye and PASS on the first turn. See what I did there? I'm making it where Sabledonk is just hype now instead of a problem.

Like a friend of mine and I was discussing, by announcing this rotation BEFORE BR its like telling a test subject he's taking a placebo and making the results in a certain party's favor. By using players, I assume P!P collects decklists and analyze the Top Cut to see the state of the game. If there are no players or a small pool sample, how can they statiscally be confident in their decision if the results were rigged to begin with.

Now I know I sound anti-rotation, but I'm offering the other side of the argument. I personally do not care if we have the rotation because for all the time I've played Pokemon I've always dealt with the format no matter how cool (LBS anyone?) or how dull (Psychic Lock x infinity) it was.

If you want to make your point, then play the deck you are comfortable with at BR. Disregard the theory and math and just play the game.
 
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I love how people say this is a stale format. Anyone remember when GG was around? Sableye is a good starter and thus is placed as a staple now. Now does anyone remember dunsparce or holon castform? Why play meta decks? Simply because they are proven to win. Sure that limits the amounts of decks that can win, but people have found rogues that can dominate a format. Now I think of beedrill. SP is so similar to speed and power of the delta block. Speed and consistency are what the best decks do. This is how the format has been every year. Even with rotation you make a new deck best deck in format and then start a new thread of complaints. Why rotate now? We have had to go through similar formats and completed the year without early rotation. Sableye is beatable, but not so much by the current meta. By not rotating causes us to have to rethink outside the box again and reshapes the meta. The major flaw in sabledonk is that it has to donk. If not then it used all its resources and has no chance to really come back. I like it when a new set changes the meta, not the rotation.
 
When are people going to understand that Sableye isn't the main problem here? Crobat and Uxie are. Uxie being the main one. Sableye just catches the blame because he forces the first turn and seems to be the problem based on that.

If they ban just Sableye, the donks will still be LUDICROUSLY high. I have a Cincinno deck built right now. Even on non-Sableye starts, going first, I STILL t1 Do The Wave for ghorfdunadcdsicgnovfxxx amounts of damage.

Thanks, Uxie. You gave my chinchilla rabies.
 
Even if you t1 Do the Wave ko, at least you can't also Crobat to death my bench.

This is a really great decision and I really hope they go through with it. This is even better than banning Sableye. The formats been stale for over a year even before these new rules worries. There would be SO many new decks that could contend without SP around. I can't imagine who would be against this. More or less you've either been losing for the past year or you've been playing SP for the past year. Neither is that fun of a Pokemon year. (I know that isn't 100% true, but it's obviously much too true compared to other years. Even Gardy only dominated 1 season).
 
I agree with Kabigon_Jr. Due to the announcement, the players are expecting a certain outcome based on their actions. Therefor, the players will take the necessary action to get the result they desire. This thread already full of rallies.

"EVERYONE PLAY SABLEDONK FOR BRS AND IT WILL BE ROTATED FOR NATIONALS!"

TPCi cannot gather the natural results from this. The data has been affected solely because the subjects know they're being examined.


I'm not sure what to think about this. I figure that TPCi surely thought of this before making the announcement. But that makes me wonder what data they're actually analyzing. If they can't trust the results of the tournament, what else are they looking at? What else can they look at?
 
Well...

I'm indifferent about this. I'm glad that SOMETHING is happening, though I don't know if this is the right move. My problem is, I think we all look at things from our perspective too often. I know, that sounds dumb, the only perspective we can offer is our own. As a competitive player, I LOVE the move. On the other hand, as a Professor and a LO, I think this is horrible, especially for leagues like mine that are just getting going and all of my players have a crap ton of old cards in their limited collection. Thankfully, I don't have to spend hours explaining to the parents of the kids at my league (we only have one junior, my son) why their kid can't use the cards they've spent a ton of money on. From that perspective, this is a HORRIBLE decision. Fortunately, I have been pushing my players to focus their money on HGSS on and just pick up singles if they need older ones....so, again, my perspective is that this isn't too bad. But, I also have players that just went out and spent $300+ dollars to put together a Luxchomp deck just to see it out of rotation 2 months later. One of my good friends who is a new player and has become my "road" team just spent quite a bit of resources trading to put together a Gyarados deck. So, again, the problem here is that he spent money and traded a lot of good cards to get cards that will essentially never do him any good. I know another guy that was trading for Sableye at Regionals and now has something like 27 worthless cards. If I were them, I would be quite peeved as a customer, and rightfully so.

I feel like this was the "easy" way out. Yes, it fixes a lot. And, as pointed out by previous posts, it IS more than just Sableye, it is the overall speed. But, we could have easily done away with MUCH of those problems with a smaller rotation. How would making a SV-on format be any worse than HGSS-on speed-wise? We could have gotten a RR-on format and that would have killed just about EVERY deck in the format right now: ALL SP, Gengar, Machamp, Kingdra, Gigas, Steelix, and would also get rid of BTS. The older the PT set, the more I can see it being justified, but it seems hard to make a valid argument about rotating SV and AR from a "speed" perspective. I see no reason we don't go RR-on.

Having said all of that, I AM glad to see SOMETHING happening and I am a bit excited to see such a drastic shift in the meta game. This will be the first rotation I will witness that will actually have a huge impact on the game.
 
Disclaimer: This is my opinion, not that of the PokeGym or any of its Staff.

As a part time player, I am happy to see this. As a League Owner and TO, I think it is too little.

I usually encourage my newer players at League to attend the Battle Road series, but I will not this go around. I want to expose my players to the fun that Events can be. With this potential for T1 GG rounds, I really don't see the fun there for those new players. I mean, who really wants 4 or 5 rounds of not getting a single turn? I sure don't and I am used to the format.

Our current card pool is not supposed to be used with the B/W rules. To my knowledge, the Japanese rotated sets to a HGSS - on format the day BW came out. The Japanese saw the writing on the wall for this block, why can't we? Oh wait, the players can see it.

As a TO, I always like big events. Makes it more fun for me and the players. But, I can see a bunch of games ending in 5 - 10 minutes and 2 or 3 going to time plus. Making very restless players and Staff. I see either turnout being very low, which would be great for the newer players, or huge as players are looking to T1 a few more points.

Really competative players are gonna skip, in my opinion. It just is not worth it to them to lose their points to a couple unlucky hands. Not enough of a chance to get them back.

More importantly, if TPCi does not see a reason to change the format, we will be stuck with this through Worlds. Gonna be some very fast games. 10 minutes + 3 I believe I saw posted elsewhere.
 
What I'd like to know is what decks would be played if its HGSS on, an the newer Staples other than the few obvious ones
 
wolfroke said:
What I'd like to know is what decks would be played if its HGSS on, an the newer Staples other than the few obvious ones
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As players, isn't that our job to define? ;)

Awesome change. While our Nationals will most likely be MD-CoL, I'm looking forward to HGSS-On if I got to worlds this year.

Either way, we avoid the disaster that is MD-BW
 
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