Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Format Change for Next Year - Possible Change for Nats and Worlds!

djjoe227 said:
It sounds to me as though the promos are a minor concern when they really should not be. The promotional cards should be a reward/incentive for organized casual play or for participation. At the moment they feel more like bait. (an incentive keeps the player in mind, bait keeps the controller of the bait in mind)

If the promo cards were chosen many moons before their release, why choose cards expected to leave with rotation? All playability arguments for Expert Belt aside, the card should not be a promo if it was retaining "playable/legal promo" status for under 1 year.
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They just said they didn't know what the rotation would be when those cards were printed.

Obviously there are downsides to a big early rotation, but it's worth it to get a good format instead of the nightmare we were facing.

Put it another way . . . imagine P!P came on the Gym and said 'well, we would really like to fix the horrible format, but if we do, then a few League Promos will rotate out, so we didn't think it was worth it'. Is that what you want?
 
djjoe227 said:
It sounds to me as though the promos are a minor concern when they really should not be.
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If I gave that impression I apologize as that is not the case.

djjoe227 said:
If the promo cards were chosen many moons before their release, why choose cards expected to leave with rotation? All playability arguments for Expert Belt aside, the card should not be a promo if it was retaining "playable/legal promo" status for under 1 year.
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You are assuming that HGSS was the rotation we had in mind before learning of the BW rules changes.
 
No need for apologies, I'm not accussing. If I came off that way then it is I who should apologize.

I'm just saying that the HGSS rotation wasn't exactly a *new* idea, it's what Japan has had for a while, so I'm told. The promos and sales perks just don't agree with the rotation, and that's where my issues are.

I'll stop my end here, as what's done is done. No changes now, not any sensible ones anyway.
 
This is the most amazing thing I've heard from tPCi for a while (ever since the no rotation). HGSS-on will be the healthiest format to play in with the new rules. Also, Nats will be very interesting on what wins, seeing that we'll be seeing new combos and decks. It will also mean that testing will be tough too...
 
Biggie said:
If I gave that impression I apologize as that is not the case.


You are assuming that HGSS was the rotation we had in mind before learning of the BW rules changes.
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PROPS for coming in and addressing the angry mob personally.

What other game can you speak to HQ DIRECTLY about your grievances. :confused:

I'm more impressed by this than anything else.

As far as format change goes:

1. YES. This will be very hard to explain to my league members as most are NEW to the game (1 yr playing or less).

2. NO. This is not unexpected. You HAD to have seen something like this coming 2 years ago when there was no rotation at all. At some point, you HAVE to have a thicker layer of fat cut off to achieve balance once again.

So...

I think that people should continue to speculate, scrutinize, and suggest; this is a catalyst for positive change.

In doing so, however, people should REALLY appreciate that their concerns have not fallen upon deaf ears.

After all, P!P could've taken a "DEAL WItH IT FoO!" approach. :cool:

eBay ... say 'hello' to half of our current collection!!!!
 
Biggie said:
We have been looking at this issue for a while now, and one of the many issues we have had to look at is the effects on our promo schedule. We are very aware of the negative impact an early rotation would have on these promos as well as the promos you are not even aware of yet.

If we have not done anything about it yet, it might be because we have not yet decided when the rotation will happen.
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Dan, I know that this is impossible if the promos have already been printed, but was the option of changing the set designation of the promo cards to a promo series discussed? One of the things I have not personally understood since I came back to the game a year ago is why the league promos are not part of a promotional set such as the Black Star promos, the Best promos, or the POP series.

I understand that it's probably too late to change it now, but I would love to see in the future these cards being put in their own promotional set that could then be rotated the same way the Black Star promos are. It would allow P!P to have greater control over when staple cards are rotated, and would cut down on the complaints of players that the promotional card was rotated just after it released. Just my humble opinion.
 
Is this REALLY what the complaining has come to?

PROMOS?

There are much larger things to be worried about at this time. Promos are the LEAST of the worries.

Come on people.... Quit diluting the AWESOME news in this thread by being petty!

Jimmy
 
Ok, these changes are nice, dont get me wrong but I still feel like some thngs need to be adressed:

1) Battle Roads are a entry level event, >I!< dont care if these turn out to be awful but it could really push new players away.
2) International Nationals while not complete desasters will still be played in the old format with sp and all the donkiness/flipiness around. And I find the thought of US playing in the coolest format ever while we will have to play with the same awful crap to be really really sad. Seriously :(


So with that said, is there the option of local distributors deciding for an early rotation or anything like that (read: is there any point of talking to the amigo officials?)

What Id also like to point out is that with that announcement, BRs will be so incredibly sableyed that you wont get any real results IMO.

So is there any other way to convince you guys? Like, make viodes of us playtesting sablelock aginst all decks? Ive already provided mathemtical prove that should be considered as well. Seriously, if there is any way of getting this done before our nationals? I want HGSS-on nats so badly T_T So if there is ANYTHING that can be done to convince you guys, please let us know. Its a good start but I really think we shouldnt drive brs/internat. nationals against the wall :( if you want videos of sableye playing 100 games against every deck out there just tell me but save our nationals T_T

THanks for taking the time to reply dan =)
 
ShopCCNC said:
Is this REALLY what the complaining has come to?

PROMOS?

There are much larger things to be worried about at this time. Promos are the LEAST of the worries.

Come on people.... Quit diluting the AWESOME news in this thread by being petty!

Jimmy
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Seriously? That is what you took out of that? My point was simple, I thought: Yes, SOMETHING had to be done. I don't pretend to know what that SOMETHING is. But, rotating such a huge block MID-SEASON is VERY disparaging for new players....that was my point. My other point was that the only real balance of power the format has is that there are GOOD promos out there available to new players, making them be somewhat competitive from the get go. Now they will start with nothing (lets not forget, Bebe's is going too and Collectors aren't cheap) and have no chance at competing with players that have been playing longer and have had more of an opportunity to WIN good cards, not even having to buy them. So, to sum up the promo whining; a huge part of Pokemon's revenue comes from retail sales, ie kids on impulse buys at Walmart. Short of the kids spending tons of money, how are they supposed to be competitive? It just seems to shun a huge part of their market.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm sure it will be made up...DCE and Collectors in the near future...I have yet to be disappointed with P!P's manner of handling things. But, if the squeaky wheel is what gets greased, hence our voice being heard, maybe its worthy of saying it out loud...

You seem to be assuming that we knew about the rules change before promos were chosen and printed. I'm sure the Marines had a saying about assumptions too.
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:lol:


This may be sig worthy...:wink:

But, no, I wasn't assuming that. I just can't understand a lot of the logic in picking promos. Of the "good" promos we have this year, Spiritomb and Expert Belt where early in the year, yet where the newest cards, while BTS and Azelf came later and were older cards...meaning, we were pretty much guaranteed that Azelf and BTS were gone, yet we got them late. So, I'm not assuming anything, in fact, I even said that that there was no way to REASONABLY anticipate the rule changes.
 
Yoshi- said:
So with that said, is there the option of local distributors deciding for an early rotation or anything like that (read: is there any point of talking to the amigo officials?)
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If rotation before international National events were an option, we would have suggested that instead of simply not allowing BW cards and rules for Nats.
 
yeah Sable-donk is gonna rule battle rads and nats, but not worlds?

I think this is because of the current HGSS format in Japan

July 1st Rotation Wow.~
 
I understand if An NDA prevents it from being said, but if not, out of sheer curiosity, what was the format planned to be had B/W not hit with rule changes?
 
I said this before, ignorant Pokemon player is threatened by change. I want to keep my Dialga G Lv X tech :s
Freaking Vileplume makes my ideas turn into garbage.
 
ShopCCNC said:
Is this REALLY what the complaining has come to?

PROMOS?

There are much larger things to be worried about at this time. Promos are the LEAST of the worries.

Come on people.... Quit diluting the AWESOME news in this thread by being petty!

Jimmy
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Perhaps you find it AWESOME news, I DON'T.
But since I am International you suggested to put our complains elsewere.

To make it clear, International players have 2 options for their Nationals.
1. MD-CL old rules ( which is a repeat of CC's and SPT's)
2. MD-BW with new rules (which I will not even comment)

And the worst thing, it's not the players who have a voice in option 1 or 2, it's those LD's who don't care about the players most times.

So yes great news.
 
cabd said:
I understand if An NDA prevents it from being said, but if not, out of sheer curiosity, what was the format planned to be had B/W not hit with rule changes?
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My best guess would be RR-on, though PT-on would have also been an option (albeit an incredibly unpopular one for the players).

And don't ever expect that question to be answered. Closed doors and stuff.
 
Lia, jimmy is right, promos are the least of issues we have, no point attacking him here.

Stll very let down that it wasnt possible to do this in time to save everyones nationals and I dont really see the oint of having to test what happens when you can prove everything with calculations but I assume that this was the best they could do.

Still leaves me unsatisfied through, the exitement is gone already...
 
cabd said:
I understand if An NDA prevents it from being said, but if not, out of sheer curiosity, what was the format planned to be had B/W not hit with rule changes?
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They stated last year that they wanted to continue with rotating out 4 sets per year.
That would have been RR-on.
 
Yoshi,

Read back please and see why I react this way.
Sure Promos are not even into my mind as being point of discussion.

But calling this announcement (what actually only is a delay in making a decission) great new, knowing Int. Nationals will be boring or screwed is not my idea of great news.
 
My best guess would be HGSS-On, as that is what we are getting, albeit early.

Lia, have you tested and played this format with B&W Rules, MD-BW?

I see a lot of people doing a lot of overreacting here. The Sableye deck was not a 100% or 90% winner, EVEN WHEN IT WENT FIRST.

Sure, it could pop off a donk, but as people adjusted to the deck, and saw ways to reduce its effectiveness, it got weaker and weaker. And, here't the big news, if it didn't win turn 1, IT LOSES.

Yes, we would have some new players get hit and depressed that they didn't get to turn over a card, but that was already happening.

It would get worse, but it would have then stabalized. You really don't think the 130 HP starters would have had ANY effect on the "donk"??

Vince
 
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