You can insist all you want but coins are legal so he/she can use them if they choose to.
National's Coin Manipulation Issue
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You can insist all you want but coins are legal so he/she can use them if they choose to.
ashinto
Active Member
I wanted the midseason rotation, I wanted it very badly. I was just pointing out the fact that with this format change, the way the game is played has became completely different compared to what it was only a couple monhs ago. Yes, I sarcastically stated this because I kind of find it hilarious on how we're talking about coin flips now extensively when it used to be "if it involves a flip, it's bad" kind of mentality.
nnaann
New Member
Misread his signature pretty badly there :redface:.
CFOURCOLTSFAN
Active Member
better example(trying to quote..)
Stephen Silvestro and Jason K didn't even get top cut.
Stephen Silvestro and Jason K didn't even get top cut.
I can see why you can't provide dice for Nationals due to the size and number of people taking them but I would think it would be less of an issue for Worlds. Marginal coin flips are going to be huge and all over the place. If I even think your trying to mess with a coin flip or control the out come my hand is going to be up in the air so fast it will make heads spin. I also promise you I won't be the only one, sure it will be a he said/she said situation but Judges will be watching players like a Hawk if they have opponent after opponent complain about them.
Coin Flips are going to be the biggest head ache Judges will face at Worlds mark my words, save us all some trouble and just make dice mandatory. Its much harder to manipulate a dice roll.
You guys remember all those jokes about how the Japanese can't flip tails expecially in 04 when Pokemon Reversal was huge...not so funny anymore is it.
Coin Flips are going to be the biggest head ache Judges will face at Worlds mark my words, save us all some trouble and just make dice mandatory. Its much harder to manipulate a dice roll.
You guys remember all those jokes about how the Japanese can't flip tails expecially in 04 when Pokemon Reversal was huge...not so funny anymore is it.
Do you really think interference with someones coin flip will be allowed? Best just to let them flip and if you think something is wrong stop play and call a judge over.
Box of Fail
New Member
IMO If the cards and rulebooks all tell us to FLIP COINS, and if every starter deck comes with a COIN, it would be wrong to mandate dice for worlds.
I'd rather play in a less fair worlds than go against what our cards, rulebooks, and theme decks seem to be telling us.
I'd rather play in a less fair worlds than go against what our cards, rulebooks, and theme decks seem to be telling us.
toxicroak 96
New Member
I'm just curious, since I have only been around this game since MD came out, how can I tell if an opponent is using a pre- Ruby/Sapphire coin?
baby mario
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^ That is a REALLY good question.
losjackal
Technical Administrator
The card wording and coins are manufactured for everyday consumers to purchase and use, most often just for fun at home.
Isn't it reasonable to call for a higher standard in the most prestigious tournament of the year where hundreds of players travel from around the world to compete for thousands of dollars in prizes?
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Interference? My interpretation is that he was raising his hand to call a judge over.
I hate these poke-coins. I think they are too light and they fall flat and can easily be manipulated. I will always ask my opponent to use a die. I have never, ever had an opponent refuse to change upon my request. If one did, it would raise my suspicion level and I'd call a judge over to ask him why. I have played Turbo Uxie, in which just about every card played is a flip. I've had entire games where I can't hit a heads. I've also had games where I've run like a god. At those times, I've had opponents ask me to change dice. I grab one of their's and continue.
soul prodigy
New Member
When people need to manipulate a coin flip or a dice roll to win a Pokémon game... I think we’ve just gone over the edge. IT IS A GAME! People seem to forget that and they put their drive to win or being in the spotlight above simply accepting the results of a game. Although, since it is a game, cheating is inevitable and we should accept that too. I pity you if you’re cheating to win a game of Pokémon though.
And all they have to say is it is legal and they prefer coin over dice.
oh how sorrowful... ._.
And why is that? As long as the coin is legal they can not be forced to use a dice.
vanderbilt_grad
New Member
^ Meh. I thought that the TO got to decide what randomizers were legal at his/her events (within the other guidelines of course).
NoPoke
Active Member
NOT AT ALL.
You can however have the belief that you can learn to flip a coin to control the outcome and not have judges penalise you for having such a false belief. You can expect not to be DQed for being lucky (or unlucky).
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Both sides (parents?) in this manipulation issue believe that it is possible to affect the outcome in a significant way. One side believes that it is part of the game and the other that it is not. Neither side intends any cheating or wrong-doing.
If there is a problem with what is alleged then all of us who are equally capable of flipping a coin or rolling a die are guilty of wrong-doing every time we choose to roll a die instead of flip a coin. I know I believe that I'm more likely to get 50% heads with a dice roll than when I flip a P!P coin flip. I also believe that it is not possible to practice a flip that meets P!Ps requirements and can be controlled at the same time.
If my belief and consequential preference for a dice is acceptable then I need to take great care over the distinction that makes someone, who in my view erroneously holds to the belief that you can practice flips and imo wastes time practicing to perfect their flips, guilty of an infraction whilst I am not. The difference being that I've already decided that the practice is pointless based upon previous effort both practical, theoretical and spent reading the literature and elected not to waste my time on the fruitless activity. Namely learning to flip. If it is the case that acting on my own belief that dice rolls are closer to 50% outcomes is an infraction, because any such expressed preference constitutes manipulation, then I expect there will be very few players who we could judge as not guilty. It is very hard not to have an opinion on whether a dice roll or coin flip is more likely to be a 50-50 outcome.
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