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And you thought US Nationals was your last chance for Championship Points...

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But you would be WRONG!

Sunday, July 7th in Indianapolis (at US Nationals) will mark the first ever Last Chance for Championship Points Tournament!

Seating will be limited to 256 Masters, 128 Seniors, and 128 Juniors. This event is open to all players in good standing, regardless of country of residency, who do not yet have the 400 Championship Points required to qualify for the 2013 World Championships in Vancouver, BC, Canada. Preregistration will occur on Saturday night on-site at US Nationals.

Format
Single elimination, Best-of-one, 30 minutes + 3 turns.
Top 16 and Top 8: Best-of-three, 75 minutes + 3 turns.
The final 4 will NOT play down.

Prizes
Top 16: 50 Championship Points
Top 8: 100 Championship Points
Top 4: 200 Championship Points

This event will be counted as unique for the terms of Best Finish Limits - no matter how many events of any kind you've earned Championship Points in, those earned points and points earned in this tournament will not be affected by each other!


There will also be 8-man and 16-man on demand tournaments running throughout Sunday, with booster pack prizing provided for each of those tournaments.

For more details on the Last Chance for Championship Points tournament, as well as prize structure for the 8- and 16-man on-demand tournaments, click here! You know you want to!
 
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This is a good way to fix the problem of grinching and Nationals is the perfect event for it. Looking over the abysmal and gut-wrenching timing on the announcement because there is a much bigger issues that can still be fixed.

Please, please, PLEASE makes a 200 CP minimum for the event. This event means absolutely nothing to people with less than 200 CP, and will result in the exact opposite problem the restriction on players with over 400 points is trying to fix. There are no more ways to earn CP after this event if you participate in this event. Someone who has gone through the trouble of getting 200 or more points, going to Nats and loses before the top 8 does not deserve to be bumped out of a slot by someone with 40 CP who dropped after round 3.
 
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I personally feel that TPCI is VERY generous adding this Last Chance for Points tournament!
 
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As previously stated, there NEEDS to be a rule in place that says you cannot enter if you do not have 200+ CP.

If too many people that have less than 200 CP enter, it takes away chances for people that need the points to get into Worlds(which is the purpose of this tournament).

Another question that needs to be answered is will prereg. for this tournament go on alongside Top Cut for the main event? If so, for those who are still short of their Worlds Invitation after losing Top 32 for example would possibly not be able to play in this event.
 
Scenario:

Player A needs 100 championship points to qualify for Worlds.
Player B needs 200 championship points to qualify for Worlds.

Player A and Player B are matched up in Top 8. Could Player A forfeit the match, thus giving both players enough points to qualify for Worlds, without the match actually being played?

Edit: Let's extend to another possible (although more unlikely) Scenario:

Players A and B faced players C and D in the previous round, both of whom only needed 50 championship points to qualify for Worlds. Could we just have a chain of players dropping in the top 16, giving each other the opportunity to play at Worlds without actually playing a match to earn the points?
 
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This is fantastic news! And I have a suggestion if any higher ups would like to take it... I think they should either make a minimum requirement of 200 points to enter, since anyone with fewer has no shot of qualifying anyway, and make it first come first serve, or register every player that wants to sign up, and let the computer provide a list players (in descending order) starting with the player needing the fewest amount of points to qualify and allow the first 256 ppl on that list to play. Just a couple of thoughts to keep things flowing well.
 
SpTrainer said:
As previously stated, there NEEDS to be a rule in place that says you cannot enter if you do not have 200+ CP.

If too many people that have less than 200 CP enter, it takes away chances for people that need the points to get into Worlds(which is the purpose of this tournament).

Another question that needs to be answered is will prereg. for this tournament go on alongside Top Cut for the main event? If so, for those who are still short of their Worlds Invitation after losing Top 32 for example would possibly not be able to play in this event.
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There does not *need* to be such a thing. You would like there to be. We'll discuss this in the office, but it's highly unlikely we'll place such a restriction on this event.

*Your* purpose for the tournament may be for more people to get to Worlds, our purpose is to provide the *opportunity* to get the points necessary to qualify for Worlds, and to provide additional value on Sunday for Nationals.

Our intent is to let anyone who wishes to preregister go ahead and do so, and if they make the T8, they'll be asked to drop from prereg (or, we'll simply do it for them) as they will have the points necessary at that time to qualify.

Thank you,
Prof Dav
 
Professor Dav said:
There does not *need* to be such a thing. You would like there to be. We'll discuss this in the office, but it's highly unlikely we'll place such a restriction on this event.

*Your* purpose for the tournament may be for more people to get to Worlds, our purpose is to provide the *opportunity* to get the points necessary to qualify for Worlds, and to provide additional value on Sunday for Nationals.

Our intent is to let anyone who wishes to preregister go ahead and do so, and if they make the T8, they'll be asked to drop from prereg (or, we'll simply do it for them) as they will have the points necessary at that time to qualify.

Thank you,
Prof Dav
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good and bad. Thanks for clarification and addressing this subject.
 
More and more injustice towards Mexico and Canada being considered for the same Worlds qualifications as the U.S. I'm happy the U.S. gets this and triple Regionals and all that jazz, but when will TPCi change the Worlds entry fee for Canada and Mexico which do not have the same tournament structure as the U.S. but have to go through the same hoops to earn an invite?
 
Professor Dav said:
There does not *need* to be such a thing. You would like there to be. We'll discuss this in the office, but it's highly unlikely we'll place such a restriction on this event.

*Your* purpose for the tournament may be for more people to get to Worlds, our purpose is to provide the *opportunity* to get the points necessary to qualify for Worlds, and to provide additional value on Sunday for Nationals.

Our intent is to let anyone who wishes to preregister go ahead and do so, and if they make the T8, they'll be asked to drop from prereg (or, we'll simply do it for them) as they will have the points necessary at that time to qualify.

Thank you,
Prof Dav
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Ok I am unbiased as I am from Canada and am not going and have my invite anyways. If you dont allow people with invites to play so they don't take away points from people who need them why are people with under 200 points allowed to play? Im just saying it seems a bit unfair.
 
Pablo said:
More and more injustice towards Mexico and Canada being considered for the same Worlds qualifications as the U.S. I'm happy the U.S. gets this and triple Regionals and all that jazz, but when will TPCi change the Worlds entry fee for Canada and Mexico which do not have the same tournament structure as the U.S. but have to go through the same hoops to earn an invite?
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What do you propose, Pablo? You think it should be easier to get to worlds if your country only gets 200 players at Nationals (total)? What about a country that only gets 40?

Should Mexico be held to a different standard than, say, Switzerland? The Swiss have to get 400, just like the US, Canada and Mexico.

There are opportunities for both Mexico and Canada to have more events. Canada doesn't seem to have the momentum to sustain any substantial tournament attendance, and cycling through the same 500 or so players isn't what gets or executive team excited to spend more money in a given region. Mexico could probably support more events, but sadly, we spend as much time dealing with accusations of fraud, and bickering between organizers and professors that each event we run there is probably takes as many man hours to deal with as one in the US.

Fortunately for you, Pablo, distribution in Mexico has gotten much better, and we now have a distributor who wants to do more OP. As a business partner willing to do the work necessary to grow OP in Latin America, we're pretty excited at the potential.

Thanks,
Prof Dav

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cf11 said:
Ok I am unbiased as I am from Canada and am not going and have my invite anyways. If you dont allow people with invites to play so they don't take away points from people who need them why are people with under 200 points allowed to play? Im just saying it seems a bit unfair.
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Why is the LCQ open to all players regardless of Rating/CP?

Because qualifying isn't the only reason the tournament exists.

Thanks,
Prof Dav

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MattPL said:
Scenario:

Player A needs 100 championship points to qualify for Worlds.
Player B needs 200 championship points to qualify for Worlds.

Player A and Player B are matched up in Top 8. Could Player A forfeit the match, thus giving both players enough points to qualify for Worlds, without the match actually being played?

Edit: Let's extend to another possible (although more unlikely) Scenario:

Players A and B faced players C and D in the previous round, both of whom only needed 50 championship points to qualify for Worlds. Could we just have a chain of players dropping in the top 16, giving each other the opportunity to play at Worlds without actually playing a match to earn the points?
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Here's an idea. TPCi/Play! Pokemon has just done a cool thing for the players. Let's see how we can manipulate it, so that they reconsider ever doing something like this again!

There will be 16 players. If we hear a peep about any shenanigans, we are always happy to hand out a DQ without prizes. Suspensions are also an option.

Remember, as a player, your actions and behavior affect my, and my teams decisions about future events and rules. Don't make me sorry we decided to award points past 4th place.

Prof Dav
 
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Professor Dav said:
What do you propose, Pablo? You think it should be easier to get to worlds if your country only gets 200 players at Nationals (total)? What about a country that only gets 40?

Should Mexico be held to a different standard than, say, Switzerland? The Swiss have to get 400, just like the US, Canada and Mexico.

There are opportunities for both Mexico and Canada to have more events. Canada doesn't seem to have the momentum to sustain any substantial tournament attendance, and cycling through the same 500 or so players isn't what gets or executive team excited to spend more money in a given region. Mexico could probably support more events, but sadly, we spend as much time dealing with accusations of fraud, and bickering between organizers and professors that each event we run there is probably takes as many man hours to deal with as one in the US.

Fortunately for you, Pablo, distribution in Mexico has gotten much better, and we now have a distributor who wants to do more OP. As a business partner willing to do the work necessary to grow OP in Latin America, we're pretty excited at the potential.

Thanks,
Prof Dav
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The Swiss (and all of Europe where there is OP last I checked, cause I was there during CC season last year) also get airlines such as EasyJet and RyanAir that allow air travel to other countries in order to participate in more tournaments than the ones held in their own country for prices as low as 10 Euros.

If 400 works as a standard for Europe, it works.

If 400 works for the U.S., it works, and though I don't know the reasoning behind this extra CP's tournament, maybe to help push those extra numbers for Worlds, 400 was excessive.

Given how only 2 people from Mexico got to 400, I think it was excessive. I personally don't see a reason why the bar for the U.S. can't be 350 next year, and for Mexico and Canada 300 or something along those lines. Calling it injustice was probably an over extension and I apologize Dave, my post probably came across as a very bitter one.

About all the bickering, I didn't know that was happening since I haven't been a part of it since 2006 (I learnt my lesson). I'm very glad to hear about there being more interest to grow OP in Latin America, and gives me hope, thank you for sharing this information.

I hope you know this, but I'm always open and can be reached out to to have a discussion and propose ideas about OP if you're interested in hearing my ideas. I think one solution to make our Nationals grow from 190/10/2 Masters/Seniors/Juniors attendance is selling cards in Spanish here in Mexico which I don't know if you have tried to or anything, and I'm sure there are complications with it.

Anyways I'm rambling, sorry about my harsh post, I just want better opportunities in relation to our current tournament structure in order to have a good representation at Worlds. I'm very glad to know there is interest from a new distributor to grow OP even more in Latin America and know that I am very grateful that I can play in any events at all.
 
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Ok I am unbiased as I am from Canada and am not going and have my invite anyways. If you dont allow people with invites to play so they don't take away points from people who need them why are people with under 200 points allowed to play? Im just saying it seems a bit unfair.
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How many players with fewer than 200 CP do you think will bother to register anyways? A person with less than 200 CPs' options more or less boil down to 1) play potentially all day in a tournament with (for them) functionally no prize, or 2) play in a bunch of 8/16 man pickups and try to win themselves a crapton of boosters.

Yes, players with less than 200 CPs CAN enter, but I really don't think more than a handful of the players in that group will bother to do so.

(Oh, and for the record, as of today there are 141 North American Masters who have more than 200 but less than 400 CP. So it's not like they'll really be fighting over the seats even if a group of <200 CP players decide to play anyway.)
 
Here's an idea. TPCi/Play! Pokemon has just done a cool thing for the players. Let's see how we can manipulate it, so that they reconsider ever doing something like this again!

There will be 16 players. If we hear a peep about any shenanigans, we are always happy to hand out a DQ without prizes. Suspensions are also an option.

Remember, as a player, your actions and behavior affect my, and my teams decisions about future events and rules. Don't make me sorry we decided to award points past 4th place.

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I assure you that my intent was not to manipulate the situation. I was merely pointing out the possibly of such an event, in case it had not already been considered. Also, I was curios as to see what kind of precautions/penalties were in place for a scenario such as the one I posted.

Thanks for responding, and for letting me know about the penalties in place for this event. I'm happy to see TPCi/Play! Pokemon trying new things that benefit the player base. :thumb:
 
Professor Dav said:
SpTrainer said:
As previously stated, there NEEDS to be a rule in place that says you cannot enter if you do not have 200+ CP.

If too many people that have less than 200 CP enter, it takes away chances for people that need the points to get into Worlds(which is the purpose of this tournament).

Another question that needs to be answered is will prereg. for this tournament go on alongside Top Cut for the main event? If so, for those who are still short of their Worlds Invitation after losing Top 32 for example would possibly not be able to play in this event.
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There does not *need* to be such a thing. You would like there to be. We'll discuss this in the office, but it's highly unlikely we'll place such a restriction on this event.

*Your* purpose for the tournament may be for more people to get to Worlds, our purpose is to provide the *opportunity* to get the points necessary to qualify for Worlds, and to provide additional value on Sunday for Nationals.

Our intent is to let anyone who wishes to preregister go ahead and do so, and if they make the T8, they'll be asked to drop from prereg (or, we'll simply do it for them) as they will have the points necessary at that time to qualify.

Thank you,
Prof Dav
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First of all, giving players a chance to play in another tournament is great in itself! Giving players an opportunity to earn an additional points to qualify for worlds only makes this tournament better. The only part about this tournament that I do not like is that players with more then 400 points are being denied a chance to play in a tournament. Since they are being excluded from this tournament perhaps another side event can be put together just for them to be ran simultaneously along side this tournament. Doing this will not only give them a chance to play in a noteworthy tournament on Sunday but having a tournament composed of only players who secured their invite to the World Championships and giving it the tournament a fancy name could add more value to the event as a whole. It might be too close to Nationals to throw something together now, but in the future if this type of side event is possible, giving players of this suggested something of value to play for such has (I know this is a long shot but...) a travel allowance or a trip to Worlds to go along with the invite they already won could be something players would appreciate.

Just my 2 cents
 
LOLZ said:
First of all, giving players a chance to play in another tournament is great in itself! Giving players an opportunity to earn an additional points to qualify for worlds only makes this tournament better. The only part about this tournament that I do not like is that players with more then 400 points are being denied a chance to play in a tournament. Since they are being excluded from this tournament perhaps another side event can be put together just for them to be ran simultaneously along side this tournament. Doing this will not only give them a chance to play in a noteworthy tournament on Sunday but having a tournament composed of only players who secured their invite to the World Championships and giving it the tournament a fancy name could add more value to the event as a whole. It might be too close to Nationals to throw something together now, but in the future if this type of side event is possible, giving players of this suggested something of value to play for such has (I know this is a long shot but...) a travel allowance or a trip to Worlds to go along with the invite they already won could be something players would appreciate.

Just my 2 cents
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there are going to be plenty of side events for those with their 400 points to play in, along with everyone else...why does there need to be a special event?

you've worked nats before: you don't think finals, sides and the single-elim last chance tourney are going to be enough to keep the judge staff busy?
 
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