doctormcdreamy
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i just changed the multi's. that's all.
A change for the better.....
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well they could just post the main pokemon in the deck, and name all or some of the possible techs that can be put into it, like they did with destiny.....named the main pokemon ray,mew,licky, etc etc, and the techs....that wouldnt be so bad, and that would force the "netdeckers" to do a lil bit of work, instead of making jimmy (and various other people) test these decks for weeks and months gettin the matchups down, and learning all the right moves and then jus basically giving all of his work away is kinda iffy on my part.....id say if this gets down i would like to see the "ONLY" the pokemon, cuz you can easily explain how a deck works with JUST the pokemon, and when people ask me for decks through pm,aim,email etc (im still wishing they would stop btw) they usually only want the pokemon anyways.....
im in favor of posting ONLY pokemon, posting the whole list will jus make it easier for the "netdeckers" to do wut they do best.....
o yea and ill admit it, that I MYSELF havent been playin MY OWN decks all season, but around cities i played with almost EVERY different archetype that i could build and i ALWAYS added my own "flavor" to it, and tried to make it fit my playing style.........and the decks that were brought to my attention (thanx "GUY" who knows who he is)
i even tried to mess around with those to make them fit the way i played.....and i NEVER netdecked.......
sorry for gettin off topic a lil bit. which i have been doing a lot of lately:lol: :nonono: :lol: :nonono:
but that last lil message was to all of those netdeckers who are excited that jimmy is talkin about gettin all those decks on the op site.....
again i say if this does happen ONLY POKEMON!
It would be really great IF players really wanted to share their decklists if they posted their decklists with their tournament reports. Expecting someone else to post all the decklists is unreasonable. Most of the players enjoy writing tournament reports when they do really well. Why couldn't they also post a decklist at the beginning so that everyone can see what they are playing. It might even make the actual tournament report more interesting to read.
Tom Shea
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so your in favor of people taking weeks/months to create a deck and work with it, and giving the WHOLE thing out to the public ?
Players aren't going to do that. Period. Having OP post the deck lists is needed if deck lists are going to be posted at all.
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Note especially the underlined.
This is the underlying point of the whole thread anyway, man. This secrecy thing goes way too far in this game. It's gone from anti-netdecking to outright paranoia and it's NOT healthy for the environment at all.
GinoLombardi21
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Yea like why would I wanna show a possible opponent all my plays or moves? So they can have an advantage over me? Other then that I still do my part by helping players with decks, fixes, cards, w/e. But overall if pop doesnt do that dont expect players to not post there lists online.
Its been like this since 05. Theres only one deck that never lost anything in modified format. Which was Queendom. Another reason why it was strong after. The decklist was in the worlds booklet too. Other then that rotation has killed every deck list of every deck. After this year expect all the world championships decklists to be rotated.
So dont expect someone to win states, regionals, nationals and show there deck that they used. Any player that said they would do this wouldnt because it gives them a disadvantage. Only way players will see what other players are playing is if op puts em on the website. PERIOD. HOLLA
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Even if someone does netdeck, won't they be at a disadvantage, since they probably do not know the deck as well as people who actually build them and play with them? I have known people who c/p lists off the internet and play them the next day at tournies, and they usually suck with them, giving other players wins!
no sir, no sir, no sir.......:nonono:
not complaining about anything at all, i could care less if someone try to build a deck, then go to the internet for help, but its the fact some....well MOST which is well over half, likes to SIT ON A NICE cunfee (sp) chair, couch, bed etc etc. and wait until the good people build there decks for them, tell them how to beat other decks, and tell them the strategy of the deck......jimmy said he has a joy in building decks....:thumb:.....we need more people that WANT to build a deck and call it there own, THAT would make the game more wide, and open......
and first to think of an idea ?!?!?!?!?!?
WE ALL HAVE THE SAME RESOURCES !!!!!!!
EVERYONE CAN LOOK AT PAST AND PRESENT AND FUTURE SPOILERS TO TRY AND COME UP WITH AN IDEA........
i have NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO problem with someone TRYING to build a deck on there own, then going to "netdecking" for help.....but like i said well over half of the people playing this game, dont TRY, so why should someone keep giving and giving to THOSE people of they dont even TRY ???........i say people have to work to get what they want, not sit on th sofa eating chips, watchings re-runs..... :lol: .....
and even thou i agree with you (Tagrineth, and everyone else) for saying that posting decks will help the new comers understand what it takes.........
THANK YOU TAGRINETH for bringing up a different point of view to my eyes also.....
i still think that by jus showing the pokemon and MAYBE the energies will still help out new people, and still make the lazy people do a little bit of work, cuz with the holon engine leaving its gonna be real tough to get a trainer list solid, until more comes out.......
lol, still hoping for TEAM GALACTICS (sp) TRANCEIVER engine......lol, (not possible btw)
Even if someone does netdeck, won't they be at a disadvantage, since they probably do not know the deck as well as people who actually build them and play with them? I have known people who c/p lists off the internet and play them the next day at tournies, and they usually suck with them, giving other players wins!
well then if there REALLY REALLY LAZY then they didnt even bother reading the report about the deck.....:lol: :lol: :lol:
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NoPoke
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Who does publishing lists actually hurt? As has been pointed out some combos are obvious and designed by PCL. The number of truely inventive deck designers is limited to a handfull per country. (Bigger hands with more fingers needed for the USA and Japan!)
Does the list tell you everything? NO! In part that is why I'm not keen on the this-is-how-you-play the deck proposals. Let players figure out the plays between themselves possibly with help through bulletin boards such as this one. There does need to be a degree of ownership by the vast mass of copying players. Also the deck has to match your play style and current level of development. Some decks are deliberately weakened inorder to be playable by the younger age groups. I'm fovever telling some parents that the decks that they give their children are too complicated. I can drive a car but if you stick me in a F1 race car I'd crash assuming I could even prevent the thing from stalling that is. A further reason for not publishing anything more than the list is a purely practical one. Anything more than the list requires additinal resource. The only exception I would have would be theme decks, training decks, and the Worlds decks. ( I guess Pablo is working on his write up now ! ) Those need to come with instruction
Retaining Players. Pokemon is targetted at a young age group. That means that players are still developing significantly both physically and mentally over their pokemon playing careers. I see a lot of drop outs at the two boundaries between the age groups. Anything that eases the transition is a good thing. Its very easy to feel excluded when you are younger and want to be part of the gang. Publishing lists makes everyone feel that much more part of the group.
Are the deck designers significantly disadvantaged? I believe not. Indeed the ability to influence the wider metagame could be argued to give them an even stronger advantage. Look what happened at Worlds in Florida. USA plays blaziken and Japan drops the Magma bomb.
All JMHO
Does the list tell you everything? NO! In part that is why I'm not keen on the this-is-how-you-play the deck proposals. Let players figure out the plays between themselves possibly with help through bulletin boards such as this one. There does need to be a degree of ownership by the vast mass of copying players. Also the deck has to match your play style and current level of development. Some decks are deliberately weakened inorder to be playable by the younger age groups. I'm fovever telling some parents that the decks that they give their children are too complicated. I can drive a car but if you stick me in a F1 race car I'd crash assuming I could even prevent the thing from stalling that is. A further reason for not publishing anything more than the list is a purely practical one. Anything more than the list requires additinal resource. The only exception I would have would be theme decks, training decks, and the Worlds decks. ( I guess Pablo is working on his write up now !
) Those need to come with instructionRetaining Players. Pokemon is targetted at a young age group. That means that players are still developing significantly both physically and mentally over their pokemon playing careers. I see a lot of drop outs at the two boundaries between the age groups. Anything that eases the transition is a good thing. Its very easy to feel excluded when you are younger and want to be part of the gang. Publishing lists makes everyone feel that much more part of the group.
Are the deck designers significantly disadvantaged? I believe not. Indeed the ability to influence the wider metagame could be argued to give them an even stronger advantage. Look what happened at Worlds in Florida. USA plays blaziken and Japan drops the Magma bomb.
All JMHO
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Disagree completely. I have said it before and I will say it again (and again).
Great decks don't win matches, Great Players do.
To take a mediocre player (me) and give me Destiny and expect me to play it with any brilliance to the level Jimmy and others did is absurd. I might play the deck for several weeks and get proficient with it enough to be "good" but by that time, the true creative forces behind the original deck idea are already 3 steps ahead on enhancing the deck or are off to a new deck.
Net decking is different than having an official collection site operated by the sanctioning authority (POP) post top tier deck lists.
FWIW, I like rogue or whatever my son plays.
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Here's a question that nobody seems to answer (or want to answer):
What is Netdecking?
I'll give you a few examples. During Cities, I heard about this one deck that won a few Cities in the South, Meganium Delta and Nidoqueen, basically a search and recover deck. Never having seen a decklist, but going just off the information that it was MegaQueen, I built something out of those two cards. After about 3 weeks of playtesting, I found that my MegaX TecH was the best card in the deck, then decided that the deck needed energy acceleration. I found Flygon Delta, and tossed it into the deck. Sorta as an afterthought, I threw in Flygon ex Delta, but only 2 of them. This deck went 4-2 missing the cut at my first Cities. Is that a netdecked Flygon ex Delta deck? Or is it my own creation?
Another example: During States, I heard about another Flygon ex varient termed Flying Eevol. I liked the idea of tossing Eeveelutions into my Flygon deck, so I tried it out. Disasterous results. Is this still my deck, or is it a netdeck?
Another example: I looked at the DP spoilers, and came across Electivire. Now, pretty much anybody with half a brain could see that Electivire loves Dragonite Delta with a passion unnatural for two creatures so vastly different. I built an Electranite deck without computer access (very basic, overloaded on the necessities) and won with it, 2 2nds, a first, and a 4-2-misscut. Is this a netdeck?
What of these are netdecks, and what aren't? To summarize, the three types that I came up with were taking an idea that won, taking an idea that won and modifying it, and taking an idea that was talked to death and building it. For all of these, I never looked at a list, though I asked for help on several forums with the decks.
What is Netdecking?
I'll give you a few examples. During Cities, I heard about this one deck that won a few Cities in the South, Meganium Delta and Nidoqueen, basically a search and recover deck. Never having seen a decklist, but going just off the information that it was MegaQueen, I built something out of those two cards. After about 3 weeks of playtesting, I found that my MegaX TecH was the best card in the deck, then decided that the deck needed energy acceleration. I found Flygon Delta, and tossed it into the deck. Sorta as an afterthought, I threw in Flygon ex Delta, but only 2 of them. This deck went 4-2 missing the cut at my first Cities. Is that a netdecked Flygon ex Delta deck? Or is it my own creation?
Another example: During States, I heard about another Flygon ex varient termed Flying Eevol. I liked the idea of tossing Eeveelutions into my Flygon deck, so I tried it out. Disasterous results. Is this still my deck, or is it a netdeck?
Another example: I looked at the DP spoilers, and came across Electivire. Now, pretty much anybody with half a brain could see that Electivire loves Dragonite Delta with a passion unnatural for two creatures so vastly different. I built an Electranite deck without computer access (very basic, overloaded on the necessities) and won with it, 2 2nds, a first, and a 4-2-misscut. Is this a netdeck?
What of these are netdecks, and what aren't? To summarize, the three types that I came up with were taking an idea that won, taking an idea that won and modifying it, and taking an idea that was talked to death and building it. For all of these, I never looked at a list, though I asked for help on several forums with the decks.
Not a single one of those should be called "netdecking".
I consider Netdecking when a player goes online with out any sort of pre made list and copies 90%-100% of a list. Look at Turn 2 who made it vrs how many people were playing it in the end, same with ambush Jimmy and a small hand full of people built the deck but at nats there were quite a few people playing it.
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At the very least can everyone agree POP should post more lists from the top cut at Worlds.
Back to back posts merged. The following information has been added:
At the very least can everyone agree POP should post more lists from the top cut at Worlds.
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rhodesia123
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that wouldnt matter as the format rotates after worlds
Flaming_Spinach;911825 However said:
My point on asking players to post their decks is based on a few things. First of all people like getting credit for being the CREATOR of a deck that becomes the deck to beat. Secondly I am trying to save both organizers and Pete the trouble of having to type this things up. I will tell you this IF PUI requires the tournament organizers to post decks or emial them the deck lists then I will REQUIRE typed decklists. Have you ever tried to read the handwriting that many of you have?
I find it amazing that we as a community can expect so much from Dave, Pete and Mike. Most companies that run organized play to the level of PUI have many more people to help do the work. So in the end if the player community really wants to have decklists shared then the player coommunity should post them. Decks should constantly change and evolve anyway. The enviroment should be constatnly changiong as well. So one week a deck is killer and the next it is only ok. That is the way that it works for several other games that I organize tournaments for. In those games the players post decklists as part of their tourney reports to show off how "techy" they are.
food for thought
Tom Shea
I find it amazing that we as a community can expect so much from Dave, Pete and Mike. Most companies that run organized play to the level of PUI have many more people to help do the work. So in the end if the player community really wants to have decklists shared then the player coommunity should post them. Decks should constantly change and evolve anyway. The enviroment should be constatnly changiong as well. So one week a deck is killer and the next it is only ok. That is the way that it works for several other games that I organize tournaments for. In those games the players post decklists as part of their tourney reports to show off how "techy" they are.
food for thought
Tom Shea
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