Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

A response to those wanting details on decks played

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For the sake of discussion, what's the difference between someone saying they played Monarchy or Destiny, or LBS or Mario and someone saying they played Moving TRUK or Hurricane? These are new names that people are starting to use to define certain types of decks, just as the first set are names of older decks. Names of decks will always come up, one cause people like to name things and two cause it's easier to say I played my Destiny against their Speed Spread than to list out different cards. People can get a general idea of a deck by it's name.

Just because not everyone knows the name of the new deck shouldn't be a factor. In a few months people will say they played Moving TRUK and no one will care. It's only a big deal now to the people who don't know what Moving TRUK is. It just takes time for enough people to know what it is for it to be a standard, but it has to start somehow.

Now, I haven't read a whole lot of reports lately, so I can't speak for any other problems that may be in them. But when a player says, "I decided to play Moving TRUK for this Battle Road. Round 1 Vs. John with Mario...", why should that be unacceptable?
 
rhodesia123 said:
because everyone knew what monarchy and destiny were. not everyone knows what moving truk is.
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EVERYONE just IMMEDIATELY knew what those were the moment someone first said them? No, it took time for people to hear/read about what they were. There was a time when Destiny was just like what TRUK is now. In a few months TRUK will be just like what Destiny is now. It just takes some time for people to learn the new terminology.
 
monarchy was actually a good name for the deck (nidoking and nidoqueen). it was generally understood by the pokegym community that monarchy = nidoking/nidoqueen. if you had a newbie ask "what is monarchy", someone would be sure to answer.

destiny was also different. first there were just some posts saying stuff like "destiny will PWN JOOR STATE CHAMPIONSHIP!" this was okay cuz it was just a random taunt. after destiny was used for the first time, everyone pretty much knew what was in it by the posts and tourney reports made on the gym. plus there was a deck article posted about it. and if you look at old tourney reports where destiny was used, they dont say stuff like "I tonka destinied his little destiny while my moving destiny tore apart his big destiny". they use the actual pokemon names, to give the report some meaning. otherwise its just a bunch of spam.

now if someone asks what moving truk is you just get someone saying "haha you dont know what moving truk is" or "a moving truk transports goods from your old home to your new home".
 
It took me a while to figure out the main point in Destiny (d'oh!)... but I got Monarchy right off. Queendom had a little twist to it, which you got if you followed Monarchy (or read the strategy article).

That said, the whole package of the Garbage TRUK post(s) was/is spam (no offense to the real life TRUK). No one is required to reveal their decklist (and really, one shouldn't be rude and pester people for lists), but you ARE writing for everyone when you POST here on the Gym, not just your in-group, or people who know the person your named your deck after or have seen him/her play it.

You're doing a report not a slapping a graffiti or tag. You're not merely 'marking your territory'!? You're showing others what they can learn from your style of play. If you're not going to say something informative about the matches, then post your report on some blog and put a link to it in your sig.

Off to read Alex' report. If Vince says its good, then its probably vintage.
 
That example is invalid...hurricane is widely known like monarchy was, which didn't take much time to figure out because the whole community used it versus a team of 10 or so. TRUK isn't even akin to destiny because many different decks have the term 'TRUK' in it, and most of the decks have nothing to do with each other other than the name which is of a member of said team, and this makes it seem like bragging, and it sure as "heck" doesn't make the report make any sense when stuff like "olol my truk outtruked his truk h4x". I have nothing against secrecy, I just don't think there's any point to posting a report that reveals very little, besides the winner, in which case there are multiple stickied threads for limited information like that.
 
OK, after reviewing the online rules and resources, I had to quote the following excerp from the Spirit of the Game:
Learning: Players should strive to help each other increase their Pokémon TCG play skills. It is not a player’s responsibility to make his or her opponent’s plays for that opponent. However, discussing strategies, offering deck tips, or constructively critiquing game play decisions after the match has been completed helps both participants to become better players.
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So, technically, anyone who refuses to help others better learn the game by refusing to discuss stategies (how they won) and deck tips (how they made a winning deck), are ignoring the SOTG; and thus, eligible for SOTG penalties.
 
discussing strategies, offering deck tips, or constructively critiquing game play decisions after the match has been completed helps both participants

How do you know they don't do exactly what the excerpt says, that they don't discuss the deck and strategies at the tournament itself? Because they "refuse" to say "how they made a winning deck," they should be penalized?
 
SteveP said:
OK, after reviewing the online rules and resources, I had to quote the following excerp from the Spirit of the Game:

So, technically, anyone who refuses to help others better learn the game by refusing to discuss stategies (how they won) and deck tips (how they made a winning deck), are ignoring the SOTG; and thus, eligible for SOTG penalties.
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Steve: I read the deck tips more as to making comments on the oppo's deck on how to speed it up, make it a "better" deck, etc, not on how/why you built your deck a certain way. Now, if a player wants to share info about the build of their own deck with an oppo., thats OK too! Discussing strategy still seems more on the oppo. side...ie you should have brought up Z instead of Y. Attach energy here vs the active, since the active wont live long enough to use it. That sort of thing IMO.

Keith
 
Here's a summary of everything for those who still don't know:

TRUK is ToysRUsKid. That's where the TRUK thing comes from.

"The TRUK" is Rampardos.
"Moving TRUK" is Blissvire.
"Pickup TRUK" is Blisscatty.

I've even seen Ramen TRUK mentioned here on the gym somewhere. The real "secret" ones aren't even going to be played until cities and onward.

My opinion on reports:
I think posting a report with no details is lame, even if they are my friends and I know what they're talking about, especially if the deck is public knowledge already (only one I can think of was pickup TRUK). If it's a secret deck that you don't want revealed, why even post a report? I'm posting all mine in one thread, so if I win an upcoming BR with a "secret" deck, I can just update the first post and say "I won today" if I really want to.

My opinion on asking for lists:
If someone messages me with a list asking for help, then I'll help them. I'll always help tweak a list just because it's a nice thing to do, and besides, there's no shame in asking for help. Not everyone has the large teams and testing groups that myself and many other players have and I wouldn't expect someone that doesn't get to test often to have an incredible list. The annoying thing is when people just want lists and don't even try to make it themselves. At least put in some EFFORT people!

Summary:
Don't post a report if you aren't going to say what's in the deck. Go on the "BR Winners" thread and post that you won if you really need to be recognized.

Don't bug people for lists when you haven't tried to make one yourself.

ALSO!: I agree with publishing decklists.
 
Regarding the Learning section within the SOTG, it seems obvious to me that refusing to discuss how you won means "you're too good to want to help others to learn." You don't have to go into great detail, just enough so that others can learn a bit. Otherwise, just zip it.

Obviously, the Master should keep some secrets from the student. In Kill Bill, Bill don't know the 5-points Death Blow taught to Black Mamba by her Chinese master. :lol:

I agree with what PengiunMaster post above.
 
SteveP said:
OK, after reviewing the online rules and resources, I had to quote the following excerp from the Spirit of the Game:

So, technically, anyone who refuses to help others better learn the game by refusing to discuss stategies (how they won) and deck tips (how they made a winning deck), are ignoring the SOTG; and thus, eligible for SOTG penalties.
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So what if I just don't write a report, you make it sound like I'm somehow obligated to.

I was talking to the POP guys at nats, they said they're working on getting a system together to post winning decklists. Dunno when it'll happen though.
 
POP Tournament Rules

OK, so it took a Super Best Friend (lol) to point out to me my wayward ways with the following.

4. Publishing Event Information
Tournament Organizers, judges, players, and spectators are free to publish deck lists, details of play, and/or the results of an event, subject to local, state, and national laws.

Pokémon Organized Play reserves the right to publish event information including but not limited to the items listed above, transcripts, audio and/or video recordings or other recounts, player penalties, awards, or any other resultant information from the event.​

So the answer is yes you CAN post. The option TO post is an individual's decision.

(Vince, I don't know if you can prohibit your judges from doing so........they must respect your authoritay!")

BTW, I don't know about the rest of you but I feel pretty dumb for not reading every inch of all the documents supplied to us by POP.

That will be done by this weekend. Guaranteed.

Steve
 
PokeDaddy said:
OK, so it took a Super Best Friend (lol) to point out to me my wayward ways with the following.

4. Publishing Event Information
Tournament Organizers, judges, players, and spectators are free to publish deck lists, details of play, and/or the results of an event, subject to local, state, and national laws.

Pokémon Organized Play reserves the right to publish event information including but not limited to the items listed above, transcripts, audio and/or video recordings or other recounts, player penalties, awards, or any other resultant information from the event.​

So the answer is yes you CAN post. The option TO post is an individual's decision.

(Vince, I don't know if you can prohibit your judges from doing so........they must respect your authoritay!")

BTW, I don't know about the rest of you but I feel pretty dumb for not reading every inch of all the documents supplied to us by POP.

That will be done by this weekend. Guaranteed.

Steve
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So POP are legally allowed to post videos of people going psycho on Youtube? Just think of the title. "When Pokemon Players lose the plot" :D

PenguinMaster. Don't you knoooooooowww that your my herooooo...
And your the wind beneath my wiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnggggsssssss...

When I write reports, I do not leave a single detail out. I do not mind if people say what is in my deck. I only mind if people get it WRONG or they go around posting the whole decklist.
 
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Steve A, I never stated it was due to POP authority that I would "encourage" judges not to reveal deck lists or deck details, it is a personal policy of mine.

What this rule states to me in no uncertain terms is that PUI will NOT sanction any player, TO or judge for revealing deck contents, match details, or any other matter.

Does it keep my policy in place...absolutely.

I have been known to change policies from time to time, but until PUI would mandate that all TOs collect the winning decklists and either publish them, or send them in to PUI, I will keep my policy.

If a judge comes up to me wanting to publish the deck of the winner, or "spill" the beans on the winners deck, I will ask that the player give he, and I, permission to do so.

Heck, there are over 50% of the PTOs and TOs who never report anything here about their BRs. If my reporting is deemed inadequate for the purposes of this board, then silence is an option.

Because we are given the right to disclose information from PUI does not mandate that we do so.

I feel that a number of players feel that their deck, which they have worked hard on, is their property and they should have the right to reveal, or fail to reveal that deck. I also realize, that the moment they turn the decklist in, they have given away a part of their right of secrecy. It is, in reality, their only "cost" of attending an event.

Vince
 
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