Porygon Z level X thanks to Pokebeach.com
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Yes, exactly. The Scott for TV Reporters (or even something like Mars), use Poryzon Z lv.X and Porygon 2 makes this seem rather cool.
Not as a main attacker though, no. Absolutely not. Hm... I wonder what it could be a good partner for? Surely most anything would benefit if they have the space and need to run such crazy tricks (crazy as in Rare Candy into a Stage 2, DRE and discard it for 80...). Hm. It'd only truely be broken if it had a great attack to go with the card, but as it doesn't, I'd see it as average->Above average. Broken's too much of a stretch for a non-attacker LV.X.
Porygon Z Lv X is bad. The only way any stage two lv x should ever see play is if the stage two is good. I have heard people saying that Porygon Z is good, and I think "...***?" Its bacially a Weakeer Garchomp that requires coinflips, which means unless your name is Chris Bianchi, Garchomp averages higher damage without Lake in play. With Lake in play, he averages 10 high damage than Garchomp. The Porygon line isn't totally unplayable, it just isnt worth bringing out a Stage Two for a flippy attack.
As for the Lv X itself, I'm not impressed. He has a nice first power, discarding alot of energies at once is never a bad thing, but its a stage three coming into play power, meaning it had better be GODLY to warrent use. It isn't. Moving on. Its second power is the only redeemable thing about it, but considering all the resources you need to get it out (4 cards minimum and 2 turns minumum), it needs to give immeadiate advantage to make it good. It isn't. Nice power, but overall, I've seen vastly better cards.
JMO
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As for the Lv X itself, I'm not impressed. He has a nice first power, discarding alot of energies at once is never a bad thing, but its a stage three coming into play power, meaning it had better be GODLY to warrent use. It isn't. Moving on. Its second power is the only redeemable thing about it, but considering all the resources you need to get it out (4 cards minimum and 2 turns minumum), it needs to give immeadiate advantage to make it good. It isn't. Nice power, but overall, I've seen vastly better cards.
JMO
Thanks PUI, the dream is dead.
empoleonperson
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blissey +porgyon z s power+ holon energy = ?????//
Lordofflareons
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seriously, this thing is a beast. i mena, porygon z doesnt outshine it in any way, and 4 scott and like 2-3 of any other supporter you may need + fione's t2 porygon2 thing really owns. just my opinion.
ZAKtheGeek
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^ Agree completely. This card is brilliant, but PorygonZ is pretty trashy. If only you could skip the S2... I'd MUCH rather have that new Porygon2's power plus an Oracle a turn. Just think of it... two supporters a turn, plus one long-banned one! And of course there's the coming-into-play devastation...
It's fun to dream.
It's fun to dream.
vanderbilt_grad
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Except those things with no weakness. There are still a few.
On the other hand don't forget how amazing Porygon-2 is. When looking at the whole line I think that it's playable.
Just imagine what that would have been like with Banette ex.
On the other hand don't forget how amazing Porygon-2 is. When looking at the whole line I think that it's playable.
Just imagine what that would have been like with Banette ex.
master of puppets
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Exactly Bobby. Two heads. 50% chance of getting two or more heads, otherwise you deal 80 damage or even zero. And this is assuming you get a Lake in play every time you attack. You dont, you max out at an average of 90 damage with a +30 weakness. Garchomp does more. And Blissey weakness? How about Gallade/Lucario weakness? At least Garchomp's weakness is only seen on one pokemon that sees play commonly. Not trying to shoot you down, just looking at the facts objectively. Believe me, with the love I gained for Porygon Z I would LOVE to say this guy is BRKN and beyond awesome. But I just don't see it.
ToysRUsKid
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Does anyone remember the Blissey CotD thread?
Anyone learn something from that?
Anyone learn something from that?
charmander rox
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I'm thinking of a Garchomp/Porygon-Z combo deck or something.
Show me a single card in the current format or even last format that did well with an attack that required you to flip to do any damage. You won't be able to find one. Flipping coins to do damage isn't reliable and hasn't been seen since Exeguttor FRLG was able to flip a billion coins to offset the odds.
Blissey is different. It had a 100HP basic, the biggest basic that can evolve in the format. It has 130HP, the most HP on any stage 1 in the format. It has the cheapest attack you could ask for. And it can do unlimited damage.
Porygon Z is nothing like Blissey. It only has 110HP, 20 less than the stage 1 Blissey. It's a stage 2, which makes it harder right off the bat to survive in the current format. And you have to flip heads to do damage, unlike the guaranteed (and pumpable) damage of Blissey.
You get to flip 3 coins. The outcomes can be:
3 Tails: You do 0 damage. Thanks for playing.
2 Tails, 1 Heads: You did 40 damage for 2. Average...on a stage 1. Not even worth attacking mid-late game just to do 40 damage.
1 Tails, 2 Heads: You did 80 damage. You KO'd some stage 1's but most other stage 2's are still alive.
3 Heads: with a 12.5% chance of happening, you KO a lot but not many of the 130HP stage 2's. You got lucky enough to flip 3 consecutive heads and still don't KO everything in the format.
I know this doesn't account for it's Poke-Power, but you can't always assume it will be active. The same way you can't always assume you will have a Lake Boundary in play. The same way you can't always assume that you will have the right basic energy to discard to get the opponent's weakness.
Porygon Z lv.X has a nifty poke-power and a really nice one. But it brings no other attacks to the table. It's the only lv.X/non-lv.X combo that gives you no extra options for a higher cost. Because of that, you are forced to flip heads or go home.
And the worst part is that you can't increase the number of flips.
I heard someone say that they don't play the deck that could get lucky one day and do well. They play the deck that will do well consistently. Porgyon Z is not going to be able to do well consistently with it's ONE attack. I don't see many players using it for any kind of offensive attacker.
If anything, people adore the lv.X because it reminds them of a broken card in the past. But that was in the past, and the same broken cards in the past might not be as broken now.
Nothing is fact. All is opinion, but well-supported opinion.
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Laugh all you want. I don't really care. If you like it so much, play it, and do well with it. Play the card you like and be quiet. But don't rub your words in people's faces about how good you THINK the card is and how stupid you feel people are by underestimating it. Be courteous and play it when it comes out. If it's as good as you feel it is, you will do well with it. If not...
:/
Blissey is different. It had a 100HP basic, the biggest basic that can evolve in the format. It has 130HP, the most HP on any stage 1 in the format. It has the cheapest attack you could ask for. And it can do unlimited damage.
Porygon Z is nothing like Blissey. It only has 110HP, 20 less than the stage 1 Blissey. It's a stage 2, which makes it harder right off the bat to survive in the current format. And you have to flip heads to do damage, unlike the guaranteed (and pumpable) damage of Blissey.
You get to flip 3 coins. The outcomes can be:
3 Tails: You do 0 damage. Thanks for playing.
2 Tails, 1 Heads: You did 40 damage for 2. Average...on a stage 1. Not even worth attacking mid-late game just to do 40 damage.
1 Tails, 2 Heads: You did 80 damage. You KO'd some stage 1's but most other stage 2's are still alive.
3 Heads: with a 12.5% chance of happening, you KO a lot but not many of the 130HP stage 2's. You got lucky enough to flip 3 consecutive heads and still don't KO everything in the format.
I know this doesn't account for it's Poke-Power, but you can't always assume it will be active. The same way you can't always assume you will have a Lake Boundary in play. The same way you can't always assume that you will have the right basic energy to discard to get the opponent's weakness.
Porygon Z lv.X has a nifty poke-power and a really nice one. But it brings no other attacks to the table. It's the only lv.X/non-lv.X combo that gives you no extra options for a higher cost. Because of that, you are forced to flip heads or go home.
And the worst part is that you can't increase the number of flips.
I heard someone say that they don't play the deck that could get lucky one day and do well. They play the deck that will do well consistently. Porgyon Z is not going to be able to do well consistently with it's ONE attack. I don't see many players using it for any kind of offensive attacker.
If anything, people adore the lv.X because it reminds them of a broken card in the past. But that was in the past, and the same broken cards in the past might not be as broken now.
Nothing is fact. All is opinion, but well-supported opinion.
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Laugh all you want. I don't really care. If you like it so much, play it, and do well with it. Play the card you like and be quiet. But don't rub your words in people's faces about how good you THINK the card is and how stupid you feel people are by underestimating it. Be courteous and play it when it comes out. If it's as good as you feel it is, you will do well with it. If not...
:/
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Skull Bash
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It's hard to figure out how effective this card will be...mostly because it isn't even supposed to be released within a few sets. Who knows what comes out in between then.
As for if it was released right now, Porygon Z probably wouldnt fair well with all the Gallade and Lucario running around. Its powers are nice, however, and maybe run with Gardevoir SW it could be a counter to the fighting things that are around. Well that, and you would have virtually every card you needed in your deck very quickly.
As for if it was released right now, Porygon Z probably wouldnt fair well with all the Gallade and Lucario running around. Its powers are nice, however, and maybe run with Gardevoir SW it could be a counter to the fighting things that are around. Well that, and you would have virtually every card you needed in your deck very quickly.
Let Fire Fall
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A Gardevoir/ Porygon Z deck
T2 would look like this
Kirlia active, Porygon 2 on the bench. Use a Scott in your hand. Grab 3 supporters or something. Use Porygon Z's power to discard a supporter from your hand and use that. Use Kirlia's attack to use the supporter you discarded as your attack. 3 supporters in one turn. And just to say you could use 4 in one turn, have a Milotic d on the bench too.
4 SUPPORTERS IN ONE TURN
Skull Bash
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Yea..but even so you can recover from Wager much better than your opponent, so it shouldn't be that big of a problem.