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Alternatives to the RIAA labels?

Actually, most groups make their money on tour, but in order to tour they need to make music. See how it works?

(About the contract thing) Are you saying there's absolutly no way for an artist/entertainer to make music without an RIAA-labeled contract?
 
No, but it's the best way (seemingly) to reach a mass audience. Many groups start on small time labels then work their way "up."
 
Exactly! These new artists/entertainers want instnat/fast success and fame, so they try to take the easy route. No one makes them sign the contract - they choose to do it because, as an artist/entertainer, they don't have the time or money to invest into what it takes to make it *big*. So, in the contract they agree to, they get all this stuff done for them (at the label's risk). Then, once they're big (thanks to all the promoting and such from their label) and they decide they don't like their label (possibly for good reason), they want to leave and run off of the success that the label created for them.

Anywhoo...
 
But again, how does the 'small, beginner label' get any airplay for its artists if it doesn't have the $$ for payola? How do they get their artists into the concert venues which are also owned by ClearChannel? How do they get their CDs into large chain stores without being forced into giving them a ruinously high discount as the 'price' for getting them into the store?

It's STILL a Catch-22: the way the industry is set up now, you're locked out UNLESS you go with the large label and its standard contract, whether it's 'good' for you or not. That's why I hope to god things like Magnatune take off and not only prove that a label CAN treat its artists fairly but also show that there IS a market for music different than what's played on the radio.

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It's not that simple. First of all, I don't know how much better (if at all) the minor labels are. Second, whichever route the artist chooses, the path is not easy. Ever seen the show "Making the Band"? That should give you an idea of how "easy" it is to break into music.
 
Making The Band is full of crap, I'm sorry, but it is. Too many bands are "put together" and most of the time the band isnt in it for the love of the music. They are in it for the big bucks, and fame. Same goes for most jobs nowdays. Compairing a REAL band, and a manufactured band isnt a very good comparison.


Anyway, the point is most musicians aren't making the money they deserve, when they're doing the real work (trust me, producing, packagin, and marketing is nowhere near as difficult).
Why do you say "trust me", have you spent the time doing every ne of those jobs? Are you so knowledgeable about every aspect of those jobs? I'm sorry to say, but the jobs of the producing, packing and marketing teams go much further than what you seem to think it is.
 
"Making The Band is full of crap, I'm sorry, but it is."

I never said it was a quality show. I was merely using it to demonstrate the difficulties entailed in being a performer

"Too many bands are "put together" and most of the time the band isnt in it for the love of the music."

Perhaps.

"They are in it for the big bucks, and fame."

Neither of which are assured

"Same goes for most jobs nowdays."

Money, maybe, but not fame. Most jobs have roughly zero prospect for fame. Then again, as the song goes:

"There is no total logic, it's just a simple game
But everyone's out there for the glory and fame
I guess they are
I guess they will
I guess they do
That's just the way things are here through and through"

-Wizpog Paradise

"Compairing a REAL band, and a manufactured band isnt a very good comparison."

Depends for what purposes you're comparing them.
 
Yes, if you're an artist/entertainer on a non-RIAA label, it's hard to get your name ot there. After all, you don't have the connections that RIAA labels has with stores, radio stations, promoters and all.

Which is what you get with your standard RIAA contract. They use their already existant connections to help promote you - at their cost.

Why should a Clear Channel station play music from an artist/entertainer who's never done a thing for Clear Channel when they can easily promote an artist/entertainer who's affiliated with someone who *does* do things for them? Seriously, let's say you have an extra seat in your car for a road trip. You have two people wanting to go. Are you going to bring the one that's never really stuck their neck out for you, or the one who helped fix your fan belt?
 
I for one am really glad that Clear Channel owns most of the radio stations in this country!

Fortunately, they also own most of the concert venues.

In fact, they own most of the songs the artists play!

That way, we can be sure that we will always get the same homogenized mediocrity we've all come to know and love... FOREVER. :clap:
 
'Why should a Clear Channel station play music from an artist/entertainer who's never done a thing for Clear Channel when they can easily promote an artist/entertainer who's affiliated with someone who *does* do things for them? Seriously, let's say you have an extra seat in your car for a road trip. You have two people wanting to go. Are you going to bring the one that's never really stuck their neck out for you, or the one who helped fix your fan belt?"

Depends, how long is the car ride? The second person might be really annoying. ;)

Remember, what is montitarily adventageous is not neccessarily the correct thing to do. It may explain actions, but it is not always right.

Life is far more complex than anyone ever gives it credit.
 
yoshi: No offense, but your attempt at witty remarks is annoying.

Secondly, when you made that post to me, you never did answer the second half.
 
Anywhoo, my main point isn't if the RIAA is good or evil, right or wrong. I don't agree with everything they do, but then again, I look at some of these complaints that other people bring up and all I can do is scratch my head and wonder where they come up with this crap.

My main point is this: If the RIAA wants to go after people who are stealing from them, they should have every right in the world to do so. Arranging and supporting boycotts because of this is stupid, petty, and just plain ignorant. If you want to arrange/support a boycott of them for another (good) reason, by all means, do so. Just make sure you know what you're protesting against before you do it, kay?
 
I have to agree. Boycotting when you dont understand the situation does show your ignorance. As long as you understand what you are boycotting, I'll support your ideals.
 
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yoshi: No offense, but your attempt at witty remarks is annoying.

Secondly, when you made that post to me, you never did answer the second half.

1. It's my style, I enjoy humor. I feel it's my duty to try and liven things up a little.
2. The reason I never answered the second part of your post is I didn't have an answer for it.
 
Do yourself a favor and dont make false comments like that, it only shows ignorance.

I'm not going to try to stop you in your humor. I have a very leveled sense of humor, I just thought I'd let you know that some of us are starting to find it annoying :) Now, enough chatting.

I think I'm going to leave this topic as it is since things are now off topic.
 
Back on topic please.
Personal complaints (such as would be made when someone uses the phrase "as the song goes" when quoting one of their own songs) can be made by PM.
 
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