Ban List - Which Cards?

[Shen]

I would like to know if P!P even acknowledges the problem. Even if they don't make a change, and apology would be nice to at least let us know they're aware of the situation. Pretty silent right now..

 

[toxictaipan]

It's just one year.

*SPAM*

One bad year is not going to ruin everything.

No, but one bad decision on TPCi's part will last forever. Then the next time they're in a messy situation (which is bound to happen) we'll remember back to how oh so very well they handled it last time. Then, eventually we'll get tired of them screwing the game over and we'll quit.

Of course, things aren't that bad now (but they add up), and I'm not trying to say TPCi is doing or has ever done a bad job. I'm just saying, that's how these things go.

No matter what they do, someone isn't going to like their decision. The key part of the problem is asking, "What is causing such an unhealthy format?" and then doing their best to fix the key issue.

The answer to that is donks, and games that just play out way too quickly. The main point is, neither of these things are fun, and because of that fact, neither of these things conform to TPCi's ideals. Therefor, the solution is doing whatever is necessary to eliminate donks and bring back a healthy format. It should be of minimal concern if players who do not meet TPCi's ideals don't like their solution.

As a game of skill, the Pokémon TCG is enjoyed for its complex strategies, entertaining characters, and atmosphere of friendly competition. While the objective of a Pokémon TCG tournament is to determine the skill level of each player involved, our ultimate goal is to ensure that every participant has fun. It is this attitude that Play! Pokémon wishes to emphasize during Pokémon TCG events.

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[chriscobi634]

Cobi: No, you can't limit the playing of a card to one per turn - that's the same as errata'ing the card.

"Almighty Golden Garchomp": You're wrong. nobody in here is being impatient - we're all patiently waiting for P!P to fix the problem, save the next four month of OP, and secure its company's bottom line.

What this thread is about, though, is anxiety. Players are anxiously awaiting an announcement, and because they are anxious, their patience is wearing thin.

Let me clarify this a little more, sure the attendance numbers keep raising so POP just sit back and laugh in our faces with all the decision they make that we don't like and all the complaining we do. But who's to say that a lot of us are getting sick of this. I know I am. Many people will say, "well if you don't like it just quit". I have been playing less and less each year. Still waiting for an announcement before I make my decision on whether to go to Nats. If they at least make an attempt at fixing this, I'll go, if not then I won't.

I know the game doesn't revolve around me, it doesn't revolve around any specific player. But I have heard from a lot of players and TOs that they are getting sick of how POP runs thing. That's the big one right there, the TOs. If they start quitting then we should really see some numbers drop very fast. I think POP really needs to start turning things around for the competitive player. Quite frankly we are really getting sick of how many chances they are given to fix formats, but they just simply choose not to because they are confident that players will still play the game. Which if they don't do anything about how each format keeps getting screwed up I hope it comes back to bite them in the ***(go ahead give me an infraction, I've been meaning to just go nuts on these forums but I have held back long enough, and this doesn't even remotely show the anger I currently have towards the people who runs this game, but I'm also not an idiot to get myself banned from the game, although it wouldn't be that big of a deal).

 

[PokeMedic]

http://www.pokemon.com/us/organized-play/about/
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Going by that it makes the problems with the format, whatever they may be, the fault of the players. It doesn't say that TCPi is responsible for what people do in the format. When you see someone playing a donk deck like the Sabeleye everyone is hysterical over, I hope you have something to say to them about it. Don't just talk strongly on the PokeGym -say something to a person who is being the problem.

 

[toxictaipan]

Going by that it makes the problems with the format, whatever they may be, the fault of the players. It doesn't say that TCPi is responsible for what people do in the format. When you see someone playing a donk deck like the Sabeleye everyone is hysterical over, I hope you have something to say to them about it and don't just talk strongly on the PokeGym forum.

No it isn't. I've already explained why in this very thread.

Pretty much this.

This is a competitive game. You pick the deck that gives you the best chance at winning no matter what. There are certain personal factors that are involved in this. You might play better with spread decks, you might be exceptionally good with tanks. Doesn't really matter, you choose the best deck for you.

Just because you are playing a certain deck doesn't mean you like how the deck works or like how the current format is or like whatever. If you wish to actually have a chance at competing you are forced to play certain decks. You can either play one of the best decks in the format, or you can come up with your own rogue to counter the best decks in the format (and even then, your rogue deck will become popular and you're back to square one). Those are your only two options. Usually, it's a lot easier to go with the first option.


tl;dr: If you want to play competitively, you have very few options available to you, but you don't necessarily have to like any of them. Right now we're at a point in time where a lot of people don't like the options available to them. There will always be people who aren't happy with something in the game, but right now I think people have the right to complain.


The personal factor is currently missing from the game. What good is writing music if you don't play with emotion? Similarly, what good is it playing a game when you're not having fun? People can't connect with the game at a personal level with the current format the way it is.


It's a loaded question.

It's not a player's responsibility to conform to a scrub mentality. TPCi sets their own ideals, and they should do their best to follow them.

EDIT: I'd just like to say the following has the possibility to be interpreted very wrongly. I tried to edit it out, but I was quote before I had a chance. It is every player's responsibility to make sure other players have fun, but not at the cost of ceasing to have fun himself.

It's TPCi's ultimate goal to ensure that every participant has fun, not mine or yours, or anyone else's. The players' ultimate goal is to win the tournament at all costs, while staying within the rules, of course.

 

[PokeMedic]

It's TPCi's ultimate goal to ensure that every participant has fun, not mine or yours, or anyone else's. My ultimate goal is to win the tournament at all costs, while staying within the rules, of course.

Sabledonk as it stands is allowed in those rules. Are people really upset that it will ruin the game and its spirit for others or is it just self interest? That those who want to win at all costs actually know the upsetting reality that it can and will throw a wrench into their gears and shut them down?

 

[toxictaipan]

Sabledonk as it stands is allowed in those rules. Are people really upset that it will ruin the game and its spirit for others or is it just self interest? That those who want to win at all costs actually know the upsetting reality that it can and will throw a wrench into their gears and shut them down?

It is allowed under those rules, and that's why people will play the deck! However, I cited TPCi's ideals, and the nature of the deck, and this entire format, obviously goes against those ideals. They're the only ones who have power to change the format, therefor it is their responsibility alone.

As I said, it's not the players' responsibility. You do what you have to do to win. It's TPCi's format, I just play in it.