Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

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Thank you to everyone who let their voices be heard. I must point out that I notice a pattern...those afraid to criticize TPCi are often the ones connected to them. (The judges, TOs, the personal friends.) Go figure.

I find this insulting. While it may be true that many of us who defend TPCi may have some connection to Pokemon (I for one am friends with my local PTO), that doesn't mean that anyone is afraid to criticize them. As PokePop said PTOs, TOs, and Judges have other avenues to pursue it, and those such as myself have a higher respect for TPCi and realize that there's more to it. (Note: I am by no means speaking for everyone)

It isn't a matter of fear, it's a matter of understanding the situation and trying to put things into another perspective that can help explain things instead of jumping to the conclusions and being hot to blame someone.
 
It isn't a matter of fear, it's a matter of understanding the situation and trying to put things into another perspective that can help explain things instead of jumping to the conclusions and being hot to blame someone.

I think you should try to put things into another perspective. While no individual in particular is to blame for the lack of intermittent communication between decisions, the company itself has a lot of room for improvement in terms of the way that it communicates with its customers (players). It's had some "room for improvement" for a while. When that "room for improvement" continues to be there year after year, it gets very frustrating for the customers.

Let me try to help you "put things into another perspective," as you suggest. People can only have a certain amount of patience before they boil over. Rokman has been patient with Pokemon for over a decade. This was the last straw for him. It's not like he has been a poor member of the community; in fact, it's the opposite. He has been an active and supportive member of the community, as evidenced by the documentary he created. I think it's completely unreasonable to think that players can continue to take the lack of communication from Pokemon without eventually boiling over.

Given what Rokman has experienced over the past 10 years, it seems absurd to think that he wouldn't eventually get very upset.
 
I was explaining the entire situation to a friend, just now. I explained everything to her, from the very beginning of my pokemon experience, back in 1998. Up until now. And my qualms with TPCI.

She brought up a very good point, and made me realize something.

Maybe TPCI just doesn't even care that much. Heck, this is a kid's trading card game after all, and the majority of money they make come from kids buying packs and collecting the cards for fun, never even attending a tournament.

Us 20-somethings who play Pokemon as one of our main hobbies, are in the tiniest of the smallest of minorities.
 
Maybe TPCI just doesn't even care that much. Heck, this is a kid's trading card game after all, and the majority of money they make come from kids buying packs and collecting the cards for fun, never even attending a tournament.

Us 20-somethings who play Pokemon as one of our main hobbies, are in the tiniest of the smallest of minorities.

Let's not confuse groups here.

I'm sure Biggie and Liesik care about us a lot.

Their superiors might not, though.
 
I think you should try to put things into another perspective. While no individual in particular is to blame for the lack of intermittent communication between decisions, the company itself has a lot of room for improvement in terms of the way that it communicates with its customers (players). It's had some "room for improvement" for a while. When that "room for improvement" continues to be there year after year, it gets very frustrating for the customers.

Let me try to help you "put things into another perspective," as you suggest. People can only have a certain amount of patience before they boil over. Rokman has been patient with Pokemon for over a decade. This was the last straw for him. It's not like he has been a poor member of the community; in fact, it's the opposite. He has been an active and supportive member of the community, as evidenced by the documentary he created. I think it's completely unreasonable to think that players can continue to take the lack of communication from Pokemon without eventually boiling over.

Given what Rokman has experienced over the past 10 years, it seems absurd to think that he wouldn't eventually get very upset.

Way to take what I was saying out of context.

What I was saying is that some of us are more aware of how tough the corporate side of things is, and are willing to point out this out when some people decide to blow up. I realize how irritated many people are over the issue, and I don't demean those who are upset over it. I merely want people to try to understand that it isn't as simple as some may think.

Further, that comment was in no way commenting on Rokman, it was replying to how another comment implied that those who defended, and didn't criticize TPCi were 'afraid,' which I found personally insulting as I, as well as others, am not defending them for such reasons.
 
What I was saying is that some of us are more aware of how tough the corporate side of things is, and are willing to point out this out when some people decide to blow up. I realize how irritated many people are over the issue, and I don't demean those who are upset over it. I merely want people to try to understand that it isn't as simple as some may think.

I don't think anyone here is stupid enough to not acknowledge that incredibly obvious factoid.

I think what psychup2034 was referring to (and this is quite obviously my interpretation) was that PTOs DO get another avenue to communicate with the higher ups. This makes complete sense; in order to run events smoothly, you need to be able to be able to ask questions.

The question then becomes why the players themselves don't get their own "communication highway." It could take a week to get an answer but SOMETHING is better than nothing (as akin to the whole "some information" is better than "no information" argument).

Yes, this is a jab at Pokemon's Customer Support. This, honestly, is the biggest problem with the entire issue. We wouldn't necessarily need this messenger medium if the support system actually existed in any sense of the word. While it is certainly highly disappointing that this season's information was not released earlier, it honestly seems like the majority of the concern lies with the lack of response to the situation. Sure, there are plenty of people concerned over the CP situation, but a majority of the posts (and a majority of the posts that are receiving a lot of flack for some reason) are those that are trying to examine WHY it is that customer support is essentially nonexistent.
 
There seems to be a lot of talking over one another here. Let's try to bring it back to the center of the table. This isn't national politics, people.

The main gripe isn't against any individual working within TPCI. I think it fair to cede this point on all sides for the sake of furthering a productive discourse.

Battleroads information is really secondary to the overall problem, regardless of the thread title. The overlying problem is the lack of cohesive and timely planning by TPCI the company. Not its individual parts, but the resulting sum thereof. If this is somehow not factual, then TPCI(the entity) has failed in its public relations by wrapping itself so tightly in secrecy and NDA that they APPEAR to make willy nilly changes with impunity.This is a matter of perception, mind you.

No one should be "sympathetic" to a CORPORATION. We can however understand the obvious frustrations faced by the employees within it.

Yes, your 'tone' does matter. A perfectly valid point CAN unfortunately drown under a pool of vitriol. Yet even if you wave a wand and erase every overtly rude tirade, you are still left with a substantial amount of pertinent concern, even from those who have been colorful in their language.

As of this post, it is ~28 hrs before registration starts at the first tournaments of the new season. While the announcement of CP points has in fact been made, there is still an unacceptable amount of information that has not been released. We the player should not be "thankful for the kernels". The inner workings are not our concern. We won't be complacent. We have done our job well. We bought the product. We have set attendance records and consistently keep breaking them. We hook our unsuspecting friends on this "cardboard crack" that we've grown to love. We advertise just as effectively as as any of your marketing campaigns. And we do it for free.If there has been some procedural hiccup that keeps causing these problems; FIX IT. Explanation or not, just fix it. That is your job. To make the experience of organized play run as smoothly as possible.
 
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I don't think anyone here is stupid enough to not acknowledge that incredibly obvious factoid.

You'd be surprised how much common sense is actually glanced over and ignored.

Fair warning I'm gonna ramble a bit from here on til the end since most of what I address is speculation on my part.

I think what psychup2034 was referring to (and this is quite obviously my interpretation) was that PTOs DO get another avenue to communicate with the higher ups. This makes complete sense; in order to run events smoothly, you need to be able to be able to ask questions.

The question then becomes why the players themselves don't get their own "communication highway." It could take a week to get an answer but SOMETHING is better than nothing (as akin to the whole "some information" is better than "no information" argument).

(I by no means am saying the following is my own opinion, the position of TPCi or P!P, but is one that I feel may be a possible explanation, and is meant as food for thought)

Players as many consumers are, aren't always qualified to fully talk on a subject. A player can be anywhere from a casual newbie who has little understanding for the rules to well seasoned, devoted, and knowledgeable fans. Additionally and many ideas that players generate are mostly bad ideas in practice or ignore otherwise important aspects (ie. Worlds at Hawaii), and many complaints and questions that may be addressed in an incoming update.

PTOs, TOs, and Judges however have separated themselves from the pack, taking on additional responsibilities that force them to see another side of the game and proven themselves trustworthy enough to get information early and respond to it in a decent way.

From my personal observations I think that because of this TPCi, P!P, or whoever determines the flow of information may have intended to have players give input to their local event providers (PTOs, TOs, and Judges), and then have them act as a filter and pass important issues up the ladder where more serious diagnosis can occur, and the important decisions be made.

TLDR: The higher ups/creator of the system, may have intended for event staff to act as a moderator and pass the issues up the ladder.

May seem backwards, but that's what it looks like to me,

Yes, this is a jab at Pokemon's Customer Support. This, honestly, is the biggest problem with the entire issue. We wouldn't necessarily need this messenger medium if the support system actually existed in any sense of the word. While it is certainly highly disappointing that this season's information was not released earlier, it honestly seems like the majority of the concern lies with the lack of response to the situation. Sure, there are plenty of people concerned over the CP situation, but a majority of the posts (and a majority of the posts that are receiving a lot of flack for some reason) are those that are trying to examine WHY it is that customer support is essentially nonexistent.

My best guess is that this is somewhat inherited from Nintendo. They're rather notorious for being sluggish on information regarding games, and unreliable at times, in part because of their process to insure a quality product. The processing of information becomes rather slow, and may become public much later as a result.



Ultimately what I've been trying to bring up is that there's more to what goes on, and there are legitimate reasons why we don't know the inner workings. While raising questions and concerns is certainly nothing to frown upon doing so without attempting to understand why it's there in the first place doesn't help solve problem, and can in fact inhibit it.

The community has made it's complaint and those most likely to do something about it have noticed, making a bigger stink about it will only make it a bitter thought for them. All that can we can do now is hope that positive change is on the way.

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There seems to be a lot of talking over one another here. Let's try to bring it back to the center of the table. This isn't national politics, people.

Precisely, it's international politics. That's why the i is there you know. :wink:

No one should be "sympathetic" to a CORPORATION. We can however understand the obvious frustrations faced by the employees within it.

Sympathetic most certainly not, but understanding most certainly. Parts of the inner workings are and will remain a mystery, and understanding that is important when working to make change.
 
@ ROLES - the point is that this is a matter of how they present themselves (as a company) to their customers. We the purchaser need not be worried with too many details, if the product(in this case Organized Play) were presented efficiently. But it's not. And hasn't been since before my family started playing the game. If OP is part of marketing and advertising ; then this has been a prime example of failure on their part. If their process and actions appear to the general gaming public as lacking ; then they should reorganize ORGANIZED play to actually be organized. The current scheme doesn't seem to work the way it should.

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I have yet to see anyone here credibly argue that a problem doesn't exist. Even biggie kind of ceded that info should've been available sooner. That says to me that there is a problem to be fixed.
 
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It would be so cool to have info on the season's Championship Point structure today. I actually prayed for it last night. (I hope God is okay with me prioritizing it that high.)
 
It would be so cool to have info on the season's Championship Point structure today. I actually prayed for it last night. (I hope God is okay with me prioritizing it that high.)

I know God is supposed to be omnipotent and all, but I'm not sure that even God can get through to OP.
 
Today is like the deadest of deadlines. Its disturbing to think that its even taken this long, but i cant imagine going to a tournament and having absolutely no scope of how important it is to your season. Especially give we know there will be a point benchmark.

And guys, as powerful ar Arceus may be, modified is no longer his realm.

All Hail Mew!
 
I merely want people to try to understand that it isn't as simple as some may think.

I merely want you to try to understand that getting better communication between TPCi/OP and players isn't as difficult as you may think.

Publishing a regular memo on pokemon.com about future changes to the game, or regularly letting players know the status of important decisions through already established, non-affiliated vehicles (such as Pokegym) is not difficult. It's a matter of whether they want to provide better customer service or not.

How long would a memo like this take to write and post somewhere? (20 minutes, max.)

"Dear Players,

We know that a lot of you are concerned about the Championship Point structure of next season, especially in terms of how they affect Battle Roads. We understand your frustration, but unfortunately, we won't have that information available until early September because we're still working some kinks out. We're taking the time to make sure the system is going to be fair and balanced, and we'll let everyone know as soon as we have the information.

Thanks for your patience as we work everything out. We look forward to having an amazing 2012-13 season!"​
The key words are "we understand your frustration" and "we'll let everyone know as soon as possible."

They can provide better communication/customer service. They just need to make the easy decision to actually do it. If they're some bureaucratic red tape that prevents someone from communicating with customers, then they need to remove it immediately.
 
I merely want you to try to understand that getting better communication between TPCi/OP and players isn't as difficult as you may think.

Publishing a regular memo on pokemon.com about future changes to the game, or regularly letting players know the status of important decisions through already established, non-affiliated vehicles (such as Pokegym) is not difficult. It's a matter of whether they want to provide better customer service or not.

How long would a memo like this take to write and post somewhere? (20 minutes, max.)

"Dear Players,

We know that a lot of you are concerned about the Championship Point structure of next season, especially in terms of how they affect Battle Roads. We understand your frustration, but unfortunately, we won't have that information available until early September because we're still working some kinks out. We're taking the time to make sure the system is going to be fair and balanced, and we'll let everyone know as soon as we have the information.

Thanks for your patience as we work everything out. We look forward to having an amazing 2012-13 season!"​
The key words are "we understand your frustration" and "we'll let everyone know as soon as possible."

They can provide better communication/customer service. They just need to make the easy decision to actually do it. If they're some bureaucratic red tape that prevents someone from communicating with customers, then they need to remove it immediately.

I never said that it can't be done, only that things aren't as simple as people make it out to be, and that I wish that people can be a little more understanding of the situation so the actual problems can be tackled with some form of tact.

Corporations, unlike most people, have a certain reputation they have to uphold, and can't make comments whenever they want for better or for worse, and have to word things very carefully. Many companies don't respond unless it is a colossal problem that wasn't planned for, and would otherwise go unaddressed, which this is meant to be, it's just processing.

I get it, you're frustrated at the situation, but that doesn't simplify procedures.
 
If they're some bureaucratic red tape that prevents someone from communicating with customers, then they need to remove it immediately.

You mean like the red tape that comes with being, at the upper echelons, a Japanese corporation? And how it's not exactly a secret that Japanese companies in general have vastly different attitudes towards things than do North American companies?

Yeah, good luck with removing that "red tape."

If they had done this exact same thing in Japan (in terms of timing and stuff), I would lay money down that players there wouldn't have lost their minds like a bunch of people here did.
 
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I have yet to see anyone here credibly argue that a problem doesn't exist. Even biggie kind of ceded that info should've been available sooner. That says to me that there is a problem to be fixed.

I don't think anyone is saying the issue doesn't exist or shouldn't be discussed or complained about.
The main thing is that it was getting a bit heated and rude and needed to be taken down a notch.
That's all.
 
Am I the only one who thinks P!P nailed it? No cut saves time, points available deeper provides incentive to attend, but reduces how cutthroat the events are. Making everything worth ~10x gives more wiggle room, and setting a flat "You need to be this tall to ride the World Championships" makes the whole season clear, from day 1.
 
Am I the only one who thinks P!P nailed it? No cut saves time, points available deeper provides incentive to attend, but reduces how cutthroat the events are. Making everything worth ~10x gives more wiggle room, and setting a flat "You need to be this tall to ride the World Championships" makes the whole season clear, from day 1.

I might be tall enough to ride the World Championships!!!
 
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