Discarding energy question

Discussion in 'Cards: Strategy and Rulings Discussion' started by Dro~, Aug 11, 2003.

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  1. Dro~

    Dro~ New Member

    This may have been asked before but I'm confused. The attack of blaziken says to discard a fire energy, if you do..... bla bla bla... The question is, do you have to discard or can you choose not to discard so you don't do additional damage to your opponent's bench? I think you have to discard because by looking at expedition charmeleon, its flamethrower says 'discard a fire energy attached to charmeleon'. We assume that we have to discard or this attack does nothing.
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2003
  2. yoshi1001

    yoshi1001 Active Member

    I was wondering the same thing. I think that if you can, you have to. If you can't (say you were metronoming the attack and didn't have fire energy) you would do the 50 but not get the extra effect.
  3. Chrisbo

    Chrisbo Administrator

    The text does not say "you MAY discard a Fire energy...", therefore it is a mandatory part of the attack unless it's being Metronomed or something like that (good call Yoshi).

  4. Dro~

    Dro~ New Member

    You mean these attacks could still be metronomed or sketched without discarding energy? I was told that the new cards are worded this way so that the metronome user has to discard an energy or the attack does nothing.
  5. yoshi1001

    yoshi1001 Active Member

    Normally they are worded with "or this attack does nothing." This one, however, ties the discard with the bench damage. So the metronoming pokemon would get the 50 damage but no bench damage.
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2003
  6. Dro~

    Dro~ New Member

    What about expedition charmeleon's flamethrower and other expedition and on cards? I don't find any cards from expedition and later sets have the phrase 'or this attack does nothing' anymore.
  7. yoshi1001

    yoshi1001 Active Member

    True, the phrase has fallen out of favor, but so few opportunities actually exist for metronoming that it's really a waste of text.
  8. PokePop

    PokePop Administrator

    I would say they dropped the wording because in Japan they do not encourage the playing of e-cards with the older sets and therefore are not wording things to take those old cards into account.

    Not countering Metronome is one example.
    No longer mentioning "Pokemon Powers" (as opposed to Poke-Powers and Poke-Bodies) is another.
  9. Dro~

    Dro~ New Member

    So when smeargle sketches flamethrower, it doesn't need to discard then?
  10. Mr. Grass

    Mr. Grass New Member

    It depends on the text of the Flamethrower being Sketched and whether or not Smeargle has any Fire Energies attached. If it's the old text with the "in order to" line the Smeargle doesn't have to. If it's the new text which just says to discard a Fire Energy, Smeargle would only have to if it had Fire energies attached.
  11. Dro~

    Dro~ New Member

    Do you flip for smokescreen first before discarding energy for the new flamethrower? According to the rule book, for an attack that has the text 'in order to do this attack', you must discard first then you can flip to check for smokescreen.
  12. Celebexpert2

    Celebexpert2 New Member

    is if you wanted,when it says:you may,that significate that you may discard a fire energy or not discard a fire energy.... :D :thumb: :lol:
  13. Marril

    Marril New Member

    Either that, or the english language is choking on its own grammar again.

    I dunno, Pokémon wording is weird, but at least it's not as weird as YGO's (which reminds me of Beta-era M:TG).
  14. Mr. Grass

    Mr. Grass New Member

    New Flamethrowers would discard after the flip for Smokescreen since their discard is an effect of the attack rather than an in order to cost.
  15. Water Pokemon Master

    Water Pokemon Master <a href="http://pokegym.net/gallery/browseimages.p

    Basically, anything that says "may" is optional.
  16. NoPoke

    NoPoke Active Member

    I suspect it is a mistake.... Blaziken Flamethrower attack 80 RCCC has 'Discard a Fire energy card attached to Blaziken' and no further text.

    Blaziken Holo has Fire Stream RCC 50 and conditional text after the Discard. So I suspect that the translator assumed that both Blazikens were the same with the discard of a fire..

    there is a scan of the foil Blaziken on pokeschool...http://www.pokeschool.com/tcg/sets/jp/adv/scans/011.jpg but I haven't found a scan of the Flamethrower Blaziken to compare the Japanese text. I can't read the Japanese but I can compare symbols!. Anyone got a scan of the Japanese 110HP Blaziken??

    We have seen this omission of the 'you may' before with a Wotc translated Feraligatr.
  17. PokePop

    PokePop Administrator

    Yeah, but with e-Gatr, the card was practically unplayable if you did not assume the "You may".

    Here, it works fine if you play it as printed.

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