Empoleon and Bronzong

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  1. nnaann

    nnaann New Member

    I need to create a new deck and have decided on Empozong. I need to make a decklist to trade the right cards. This is my idea.

    Pokemon - 22

    4-2-3-1 Empoleon family (All MD except for Lv.X)
    2-2 Baltoy - Claydol
    3-3 Bonzor - Bronzong
    2 Pacharisu

    Trainers - 22

    4 Celios Network
    1 Stevens Advice
    4 Dusk Ball
    2 Rare Candy
    2 Master Ball
    1 Scott
    2 Premier Ball
    1 Professer Birch
    2 Great Ball
    2 Night Mantinence
    1 Warp Point

    Energy - 16

    :water: - 12

    :psychic: - 3

    Scramble - 1

    Stratergy - Use Bronzong to spread damage onto their pokemon to take down Claydols and make cards like Gardevoir and Garchomp Lv.X able to become knocked out with one attack. Use surf together to take down basic pokemon.

    Please make your own suggestions! Thanks
  2. mewoxys666

    mewoxys666 New Member

    4 Piplup (Splatter) MD
    3 Prinplup DP (Aqua Shower)
    4 Empoleon (3 MD, 1 Lvl X)
    3 Bronzor MD
    3 Bronzong MD
    3 Phione MD (Evolution Wish)
    2 Baltoy GE
    2 Claydol GE

    3 Galactic Wager
    3 Bebe's Search
    3 Roseanne's Research
    3 Rare Candy
    2 Warp Point
    2 Night Maintenence
    2 Dawn Stadium

    4 Call
    4 Multi
    10 Water

    My build of this insane deck. Well, for what I would have it built as.
  3. nnaann

    nnaann New Member

    Should I run any Celios / Dusk Balls with that?
  4. mewoxys666

    mewoxys666 New Member

    What I put up there was a next season legal version of your Empoleon, meaning I would not run Celio's, Bebe's Search is enough, and Dusk is un-needed. You should be fine they way this is, I play against one like the build I posted, and it runs very fluently. It should run fine.
  5. nnaann

    nnaann New Member

    Brilliant, thanks :)
  6. [R]Visitor

    [R]Visitor New Member

    Candy isn't viable next season, is it?
  7. The Phenom1993

    The Phenom1993 New Member

    i think that with the release of the pokedrawer empoleon will be better with omastar because you can grab any 2 cards from the deck with the pokedrawers and an omastar at the right time can enable you to take 3-4 prizes at 1 go....btw run the dp pipup
  8. Blaziken 1111

    Blaziken 1111 Active Member

    Of corse it is. It was reprinted in GE.
  9. Dragon100

    Dragon100 New Member

    i would suggest
    4-3-3-1 prinplup dp/empoleon md/lv x
    2-2 bronzong
    2-2 claydoll
    1-0-1 ampharos
    1 absol ex
    1 holon castfrom
    1 phione
  10. dragonite1234

    dragonite1234 New Member

    -1 Scott
    +1 RC
    -2 Pachy
    +1-0-1 Dusknoir
  11. nnaann

    nnaann New Member

    My edited build. I feel this should do well:

    4 Piplup (Splatter) MD
    2 Prinplup DP (Aqua Shower)
    4 Empoleon (3 MD, 1 Lvl X)
    3 Bronzor MD
    3 Bronzong MD
    2 Phione MD (Evolution Wish)
    2 Baltoy GE
    2 Claydol GE
    1-0-1 Ampharos SW

    3 Galactic Wager
    4 Celio's Network
    3 Roseanne's Research
    3 Rare Candy
    2 Warp Point
    2 Night Maintenence
    2 Lake Boundary

    4 Call
    4 Multi
    1 Scramble
    8 Water

    Thoughts? I would like an Absol EX in it and another Phione.

    Strategy : Same as my first post. The Lake boundary allows a counter to Empoleon and GG/PLOX decks. With this stadium the Ampharos can knock out an Empoleon and Bronzong can hit 120 against a pokemon with a physic weakness.

    Absol EX would allow me to move damage counters around and would work well with Bronzong's first attack. The 4 Multi Energy can be used as water or for Bronzong and Ampharos.
  12. SuperStar

    SuperStar New Member

    take out 1-1 Bronzong and add in 1-0-1 Gardy for Telepass or Dusknoir for Dark Palm.
  13. nnaann

    nnaann New Member

    I want to keep 3-3 Bronzong to keep it more consistant and to be able to bring out 2-3 each game.
  14. [R]Visitor

    [R]Visitor New Member

    oh. DUH.:nonono: I guess I forgot.... Good thing I didn't start trading those away. :thumb:

    So, I don't quite get the overall strategy of this deck. Which pokemon are you attacking with first? And with which attacks?
  15. jkwarrior

    jkwarrior New Member

    I don't see Ampharos being that helpful. It's hard to get out a tech line when you are trying to get out Claydol, Empo's, and Bronzongs.

    That is why Dusknoir is the better play. We all know that if you don't get Dusknoir out until late game, it is still really, really good. Unlike Ampharos, Dusknoir is really good at any point in the game.

    Also, you really don't need a 3-3 Bronzong. You definitely need more scramble/dre. If you decide to run more scramble/dre, then honestly you can drop the psychic energies.
  16. nnaann

    nnaann New Member

    I would start by using call energys and Roseanne'e Research, to fill my bench. Then bring out Phinoe and use Evolution wish to speed up play.

    Ampharos I would not try to get out unlessit was an empoleon deck. If it isn't and I draw the cards then I can put them back to the bottom with Claydol.

    Scrambles, I will run 2 but with DRE I don't have any and don't want to buy loads as the format will change soon

    I'm unsure whether Bronzong would be better than Omastar. I'm in the Seniors.
  17. Krusiv

    Krusiv New Member

    Bronzong > Omastar. Bronzong variants can usually spread damage faster than a Omastar variant can de-evolve their Pokemon.

    Also, when exactly is the format going to rotate? When it does, most decks are going to lose their Scramble Energies and Double Rainbow Energies, making this and GG harder to play with. If the rotation is soon, I would suggest that you hold off on making this deck and just make something for DP-LA or even DP-IFDS. By the time you trade for all the cards for this deck you could be making something better.
  18. WinkWinkNudgeNudge

    WinkWinkNudgeNudge New Member

    I agree with Toxic on waiting for the format change to make the trades.
    I have a Chatot in my Empoleon deck and I find it very helpful.
    If you're not playing Claydol in a deck you have to have a pretty specific reason not to.
  19. Kabutops141

    Kabutops141 New Member

    you need more than one scramble. I tried with 2 and STILL came up short. I suggest adding 2 more scramble if you have them. If not, don't worry about it, sense it'll be rotated.
  20. nnaann

    nnaann New Member

    I'm getting enough Bronzongs and Omastars to test out both, though I believe Bronzong will be better.

    OK Thanks on the scrambles. I should be able to get 3.

    I'm trying to make it not much of a change to the next format but I missed the Nationals and before I go up to the masters I'd like to try and win my first tournament so I don't mind trading scrambles etc to put into this deck
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