Empoleon MD

Discussion in 'Cards: Strategy and Rulings Discussion' started by bonslypwns, Apr 20, 2008.

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  1. empoleonperson

    empoleonperson Active Member

    yeah something like this

    4-3-4 Empoleon
    2-2 Claydol
    2-1-2 Omastar
    1-1 Aeroydactly
    1-1-1 Dusknoir

    4 rossennes research
    4 candies,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
  2. BloodDraek

    BloodDraek New Member

    NO you shoud keep it simple, omastar's power can only be used ONCE. Therefore I suggest

    4-3-4 Empoleon MD with maybe 1 DP
    1-0-1 Omastar
    1-0-1 Dusknoir (you might just want to use omastar
    2-2 Claydol
    (don't think Aerodactyl is worth it)

    4 roseanne's
    4 Rare candies
    4 TGW (if you pull off ancient spiral/winning Wager you basically win the game)
  3. ryanvergel

    ryanvergel New Member

  4. empoleonperson

    empoleonperson Active Member

    I think aerodatyl is worth it doing 20 for a power really hurts like for firstarter energy draw comisc power .
    Also it helps to spread the damage. Think about your going to take damage if you do it. its like cu rsed stone in a way.

    Question can you only use aerodactyls power once a turn duri9ng your opponents turn?

    BloodDarek yeah that looks good but i would includee aeodactyl
  5. PokePockets

    PokePockets New Member

    Ok then... play Super Scoop Up then. obviously you want to stay ahead so your going too want to use more than 1 Omastar too pull off more than 1 Ancient Spiral

    IMO, i like Empoleonperson's list the best, but -1 Empo and +1 Empo Lv.X
  6. Blade rush

    Blade rush New Member

    Empoleon lv X isn't that good. I mean, you keep their hand down by 2 cards. Wow. Then you can snipe for 80 and pretty much forfeit your next turn. Wow. That's not real good if you ask me...
  7. BloodDraek

    BloodDraek New Member

    I thought that the ONCE meant once during th entire game
  8. Rai

    Rai <a href="http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=

    No, it's once as in the one time that Omastar hits the field. If Omastar leaves the field somehow, and hits the table again, you get to use it's power once again.

    All "Coming into play" powers work like that.

    And Empoleon LV.X not being good is silly. People thought Absol was good; Empoleon removes as many cards as Absol, but ALWAYS gets rid of two. AND it doesn't use up the attack of the turn AND is useable on the bench.

    Empoleon's easy to give free retreat, so being able to knock out basically every stage 1 in the game is important (Claydol, active Magmortar, Delcatty, Porygon2, evolution cards, etc.). Especially since there's no energy discard unlike Magmortar.

    Worth 2 copies though..? Eh, Iono. -4 cards from the opponent's hand every turn is nice, but you then sacrifice a bit of consistency, and lose the space for the Banette Slaughterer of Empoleon DP. It seems like 1 Empoleon DP, 2 Empoleon MD, and 1 Empoleon LV.X distributes the four slots the best way. :/
  9. mrdraz07

    mrdraz07 New Member

    Only need 1...the point of the deck is to attack with Empoleon after all, not to set up the Lv. X. Taking cards out of your opponent's hand late game is devastating. And Hydro Impact isn't all that great so you should really only use the Lv. X for the power, and that's why you only need 1 copy.
  10. AnimeDDR110

    AnimeDDR110 New Member

    Play Empoleon MD possibly with Gardevoir SW so Duskinoir DP can't get rid of your possible full bench. Also Omastar MD will be another great tech.
  11. garchompx12

    garchompx12 New Member

    noooo gardevoir isnt comboed with gardy, its comboed with OMASTAR. the deck is ridiculous and im like 15-1 with it
  12. Rai

    Rai <a href="http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=

    QTF. Why would Gardevoir work with Gardy?

    Anyways, Alakazam would make a better friend then Garde. It wouldn't sacrifice your attack. You'd probably play Claydol anyways to recover cards in hand. It'll give you more flexibility on when you allow powers and when you cancel them as opposed to Gardevoir. The only problems I see are...
    1) only 100 HP (Magmortar Snipeable)
    2) What are you going to discard? Not a fire starter deck...

    But besides that, it's probably not a bad tech at all. Stops all Telepasses, no matter how many Gardes are out. Not Psychic Lock-able. Stops Dark Palms unless your opponent wants to play multiple Dusknoirs (rather rare). Stops Claydol (since most people don't use two at a time). Stops Omastar in its tracks. Heck, you can't even Lati-lock to get rid of that block.
  13. BloodDraek

    BloodDraek New Member

    Alex you meant Empo isn't comboed with Gardy right?

    And I thought you were 15-2 with that deck since you lost to me and Anthony
  14. B_B_C

    B_B_C New Member

    He lost to me twice. That deck is'nt that good.
  15. mca3

    mca3 New Member

    I think it combos VERY well with Glacion Lv. X, like in MY deck list I posted a Few weeks back!!! They work so well together, Great damage spread, and ability to stop powers while active is great in my opinion to Combo with Empo!!
  16. garchompx12

    garchompx12 New Member

    i lost to you once and beat anthony 2-1 so i considering that as 1 overall record. also in league yesterday i went 5-0 so its now 20-2:biggrin:
  17. mca3

    mca3 New Member

    I understand this Empo is Great, atleast in My opinion. I dont understand what is wrong with the DP one, it is Still Very playable. I mean, I use him in Lots of decks, he can still beat G/G, if you run a few WPs, I run 4. I run him all kinds of ways, Aggro or Starter, either way he doesnt disappoint!!! I just dont see why everyone thinks the DP Empo is dead, he is still the BEST water type, and DP5 Empo, will only raise him higher. Hail to the Penguin Alliance!!!
  18. Chromecatz

    Chromecatz New Member

    I truly don't get you mca3. Why use the DP empoleon when the MD one outclasses it in everything??
    There is no reason to.
  19. Scipio

    Scipio New Member

    Because the DP one DOES have a solid attack that has no way of backfiring, and the sideeffect is only positive, never negative.
    That said, the MD Empoleon is still grand.
  20. mca3

    mca3 New Member

    I am going to run both, dude!!! How can you NOT get me, I mean I have played Empo since I started playing, and I know how to use him. The NEW one is SO Beast, but it only works to OHKO pokemon Mid-Late game with Surf together and a FULL bench OR to start Early spreading Damage with Dual Splash. I like BOTH Empoleons Very Well, and I mean they BOTH work very well together, I mean the New DP5 Empo can work well on its own, but I think Empo Dp will add Salt to the wound if you will, meaning it helps your strategy!!!

    Besides, I dont really like damaging my OWN bench, but that isnt a problem when I build that Empo/Glacion Lv. X deck, because the Vaporeon tech will heal my bench after a UNsuccesful coin flip!!!

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