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Is really nice of you an all the Czech players "thanking" your head judge poor arguments and his post.

In fact, Charlie, despite as I told you I do think you deserved the win, your post contains even more poor arguments than the Head Judge's.

On the top of that, I keep on receiving new "amazing" news every day, latest is that an italian players in seniors played twice with the same opponent.

Just to be punctual, at the end I decided to report what happened to me (that again is INCREDIBLY grave as you don't seem to get it) to PUI. Probably it won't change a thing and no actions will be taken, but the dilettantism used to manage the situation doesn't change the ca 750 kms I did travel to get there.

If you feel like I'm crying, I'm totally sorry my posts are not clear enough. I don't care at all. I just do not want people to make fun of me, which is what I feel at the moment (like ridiculus argument and a general attitude to discredit me).
 
Now this is ridiculous. The head judge ate the humble pie and said that the deckcheck should have been performed better.

Rules are rules but sometimes not written as good enough as could be. The same way you lower penalties for new or young players the same way you could handle such situations described above ( some earlier starts). That only means that you know the game and the style of possible cheating and that you are responsible judge anticipating any problems or cheats. If any player was considering the opponent's early start is not right, than he should have called the judge and solved that on the spot. NOT WEEK AFTER!

Again why is everybody writing slops after the tournament? You should have told me during the CUP. Does it have any particullar reason? What you want to achieve now?

You should have been deckchecked, so you were deckchecked... focus on this! That is all about it. You havn'lost any benefits neither gained any benefits by later deckcheck. You have been just deckchecked. Despite it should have been made earlier, what is the difference? Let me repeat this one more time: YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN DECKCHECKED AND YOU WERE DECKCHECKED...considering that you were not arguing on the spot - you agreed with the procedure of the judges (or at least you didn't mind) at that particular moment. What changed from that time? Determination of the match is the only difference. So from this point I see that the outcome of that play affected you enough to start making arguments...

What is going on here I do not understand. The game is mostly about fun and understanding - that makes it different from the others. If you wanted to point out something, you did it, ok. We will try to do at least something better next time. But what you want to achieve more? No more Prague CUPs? If everybody would have such approach - the organisations of bigger tournaments is no more fun for me. And remember - this game is mostly about fun. That weekend gave me no more benefits other than fun - no profit or whatsoever.

Thanks for your posts and advices what could be done better next time. We will consider that.

Tomas
 
Why are you all putting in my mouth what I didn't say?
I am totally fine with the event, was organized in a nice way. We all said that, I said that personally to you. I think I even told you that was organized much better than our nationals.

I think I do have the right to complain about what happens.
And I just thought I would have had the solidarity I think I deserve.
What I mean is: there is no such excuse for what happened and (imho) no valid motivation.

If the first answer would have been: "We didn't think about the fact that we were performing deck check during the turn, we are very sorry." I would have been more than fine.
Instead people keep on adding extra pointless motivations try to demonstrate that what they did was fine.
Snox said:
Determination of the match is the only difference. So from this point I see that the outcome of that play affected you enough to start making arguments...
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And here you are wrong. Determination of the match result is only the way everything got started. If I would have win I won't have probably even think about how wrong the thing was. This doesn't make what happened more right anyway.

I had a talk with the Head Judge after my turn (I actually didn't realize what happened at the very moment). And he didn't say he was sorry. He just said they were doing so because otherwise people could have swap deck telling "that's not the deck I am playing".

So what piss me very much is not what happend (that is still very grave) but the fact that people is trying to defend their error. That was just a wrong thing to apologise for. No useless and weak arguments.

On the top of that, what I do not like at all is that somebody is trying to make looking like the one that is whining.


Again, I have and had no problem with the organization of Prague Cup nor have any interest in any event you organized. You can have it weekly if you want to.
 
OK, come on Leonners - few last questions, that you dont have to answer here, its only for you :

1.) If you would won European Cup in your category, did you write here same posts like you had written ?
2.) If you would won that game, after deckcheck, did you write here about that or be silent and glad that you won ?

Sorry everyting looks like you are very dissatisfied, but no one wanted targetly damage you or be strict only to you, you were choosen for deckcheck and you get it, thats it.
 
Charlie1322 said:
OK, come on Leonners - few last questions, that you dont have to answer here, its only for you :

1.) If you would won European Cup in your category, did you write here same posts like you had written ?
2.) If you would won that game, after deckcheck, did you write here about that or be silent and glad that you won ?
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I can answer to this very easily, telling you I would problably not even notice what would have happened.
In fact, I realized the whole situation after the match was over because some of the people that were there with me pointed it out.

That's just it.

Knowing myself, I would have probably told my opponent to go and complain, since it was his right to do so.
But I am sorry, we can not demonstrate that.

The very last thing I can tell you, I god deckchecked in round 7.
If I would have noticed that before (not even for myself) I would have start arguing with the HJ before.
 
This thread is ridiculus.

The guy got a deckcheck after the game STARTED?!?!?! and when he complains people go around and twist his words? Thats ridiculus... Seriously, everyone can mess up but the way this is handled here is just laughable.

Charlie1322 said:
I really dont see why Leonners cry here ... If you are good player with good, consistent build, you dont have to be scared of some kind of bad start, but everything what you wrote here looks only like a poor crying because you lost that game ... If you will won it you wil never wrote anything about wrong deck check timing so ...Sorry, but I really dont see point in crying here on forum, is head judge said it and than here repeat it to you I will count it like a closed thing.
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If you had ANY idea what youre talking about you wouldnt post like this. Any "good" player should know that every deck can give you poor hands and that getting your deck checked after youve dodged this bullet is just... I mean, are you serious?!

"If you are good player with good, consistent build, you dont have to be scared of some kind of bad start,"

This sentence made my jaw drop... Any good player should know that this is completly wrong. Bad starts happen all the time, no matter how good and consistant you are.

And his point is that the HEADJUDGE broke a very important rule and possibly changed the outcome of a game and doesnt even accept that he made a mistake but instead people twist around the victims word. And if he wouldve won he probably still wouldve complained because no matter what, something like this shouldnt happen.
And otherwise his opponent might have complained, and why does htis matter anyway?

The headjudge messes up and instead of just saying that he's sorry and that something likme this shouldt happen again (everyone can mess up, it happens) and admitting something went wrong I see this thread. This is highly unprofessional, if this is how you guys handle someone who has a absolutly legit complain I definitly hope this is the last tournament you ever did. And I'll certainly tell other people who consider going to your future tournaments about this.

Im seriously shocked right now..

"If you are good player with good, consistent build, you dont have to be scared of some kind of bad start,"

Wow...
 
Charlie1322 said:
I really dont see why Leonners cry here ... If you are good player with good, consistent build, you dont have to be scared of some kind of bad start, but everything what you wrote here looks only like a poor crying because you lost that game ... If you will won it you wil never wrote anything about wrong deck check timing so ...Sorry, but I really dont see point in crying here on forum, is head judge said it and than here repeat it to you I will count it like a closed thing.
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Sorry Michal, but this is complete nonsense and I clearly assent to Leonners' and Yoshi's view. Rules are rules and how a deck is built doesnt matter to this fact.
Your second question to Leonner also should be answered now since I am the one who won that game. And yes, if he would have got Water Energy from his Copycat out of 9 cards, the result would now be exactly the opposite.

I absolutely understand why Leonners is bringing so many arguments - most of them are right. Sorry to you, I didnt quite know how deck checks usually proceed since I never before had one except before the tournament started. I am very sorry about how this turned out, you probably should have won. Good luck for this season anyways!

And I hope that this quarrel will soon be adjusted with some excuses.
 
OK guys, maybe head judge made a mistake and should do deckcheck after that game (with some judge that should watched their game hole time, to prevent changing cards after the game, if it will be needed), but I really dont see any point why Leonners solve it here and why not this "later deckcheck" plan did not offer to judge, why is everything solving AFTER tournament and not on it in while where it has point ... What is point of screaming here, on gym ? Leonners wanna show everyone that Czech Republic have tho worst world head judge ever or what ? That game he cant win anymore now, so why he dont offer to judge his plan after he had dream start ?

Really dont see any point in writing posts like : Czech head judge is jerk and after it 20 guys write : LOOOOL. and after that 20 posts will be Leonners satisfied with that ? Or what he wants now ?

Ok, I revalue my opinion - it should be later deck check, but everything is about talking, not screaming on forum after the tournament. Thats what I really dont like, they should talk about that there not here, cuz talking here about it has no point in my eyes ...
 
Charlie1322 said:
Ok, I revalue my opinion - it should be later deck check, but everything is about talking, not screaming on forum after the tournament. Thats what I really dont like, they should talk about that there not here, cuz talking here about it has no point in my eyes ...
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It has one point: It helps us to make everything better, better tournaments, better Judges, better etc.
That's what people have to do everytime, they are writing everything afterwards, because they know that there will be discussed (guess what this 20+ posts are) what they said and probably the next time something like this won't happen, because it was read by some organizers, judges, etc.
However this will never stop and it is nothing bad, because it helps us to prevent from mistakes....

-Filipp.
 
Thanks David. It's nice to see finally something happens.

And Michael, I would like to point out I have nothing against you, you have 100% no responsability in what happened. Playing with you (actually 2 times) was cool, and the deck was very cool!

And Charlie, again, I'm quite tired of repeating the very same things: I did go and talk with the HJ RIGHT AFTER THE END OF THE TURN, and he told me what he wrote here, the very same poor arguments (actually, even more poor).

What is my point? Just to discuss about it, and to report to the other people what happened to me.
Is it bad? Is it false? I though I had the right to write about it without censorship.

On the top of that I would have had like to receive an apology that didn't arrive yet.

If you want to find a cause of the (eventual) decay of the whole situation, search for it in some post above here, in the answers to my first post.

And if you think somebody has been disrespectful, please show some respect first if you want to have some back. And use irony when is required.
 
No problem dude, lol

And Id just report this and end a link to this thread as well. And its not even the mistake that I found to be so shocking, its a big mistake but it can happen, no one is perfect. But the ignorance and self righteusness on this thread is rather shocking. Did you consider posting this on the prof forums?
 
well,

I do not fully understand what is behind the flame war here and/or related threds, indeed.

I was at European Cup as member of organization team and it seems that everybody who attended was satisfied and happy with tournaments and there was no such difficulties during tournament, what is pitty.
Many problems have might be solved there immediatelly.

I will not defend or protect all judges decision, I am not entitled to do,

but when speaking about the sleeves I am sure that Head Judge has the final words according the last version of PoP Tournaments Rules in spite that there is also written remark that no sleeves with artwork pattern are allowed on Premier events. It is such kind of duality to cause the headache from time to time,-).

So, Head Judge made right decision on black sleeves with Magic symbol on the back side centre considering that fact. It doesn´t matter if tournament is K-4, K-16 or K-32 type.

I saw personally many art work sleeves on Hawaii in August among players in all categories and no one asked me or my son to put them off or replaced them with plain ones. Only demand was that should be without any, between particular cards recognizable signs, scretches, corner breaks etc. I know this is not the top comparison but sometimes common sense is good tool for solving some issues.

I will appreciate your comment anyway and looking forward to meet you personally at Benelux Cup next year and/or at European Cup 2011, indeed.

Thanks in advance.

best regards

Jindrich Nepevny
Prague, Czech Republic
 
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I do agree with you.

In fact, we had the very same problem in italy.

Magic sleeves come from the very same producer of official pokemon sleeves (Ultra Pro), but the problem in fact is that Pokemon is a brand.

They just want no other commercial brand on the sleeves of the tournament, so they made communications about it. Everybody that is suppose to run and/or rule a turnament is supposed to deal with it.

That's why my brand new magic sleeves (the black ones reproducing the back of a magic card) have been not used in official tournaments.

We all complained in italy as well, but all you do at the end is just adapting.

And at the end nobody will care about it, I'm pretty sure.
 
Ok, I've understood the problem but dunno how to fix it.

During the first Swiss turn I noticed my POP ID on the entry slip was "033696" instead of the correct "336956". I told scorekeepers the problem and they said they would had fix it.
Apparently nothing happened. : (

HELP! D:
 
Email the TO and Pokemon Customer Service, and they'll do what they can to fix it.
 
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