charmander rox
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And where does Giratina come from?
Giratina Lv.X and its origin form
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darkrai_90
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Absoltrainer
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Hmmmm, this is an intersting card.
Well seeing as this is a level X, and a Basic Pokemon Lv. X at that, 160 HP is much, much ,much too high. By that logic, the basic (non lv X) Giratina must have at least 140 HP maybe 130 at the least, which is obviously way to high for a basic.
With that in mind, let's assume that the normal Giratina will have between 80 and 100 HP (most likely 80 or 90) and most of the time Lv.X cards add no more then 20 HP to the stats, so what I suggest is that you lower the HP to 100 or 110.
Name is good, and type seems right (unless I am mistaken in his type)
Ok, this is EXTREMELY broken, no matter how you look at it. A free discard of your opponent's Pokemon, even if you have to flip 2 coins is extremely broken. Walrein has this power, yes, but he can only use the power when he is evolved. If you wish to keep this power, you need to have it so that is ONLY activates when the Pokemon is Leveled Up.
Also the wording is a tad off, but not much. Is should read like this:
Shadow Hand (honestly I like this name better, but it's a personal opinion.)
Once during your turn, when you play Giratina from your hand to Level Up your Active Pokemon, you may flip 2 coins. If both are heads, then discard the defending Pokemon and all cards attached to it. (This doesn't count as a knocked out Pokemon.)
Not only does it read the same as Walrein, and follow Pokemon TCG grammar, but it makes it much less broken.
Ok, first of all, I can tell you edited the card because it says "Flip 1 coins. If both are heads." Having an agility like attack is perfectly ok, but you need to reduce the damage it does, and the energy it takes. Almost all cards with "Agility" or something with the same effect do only 30, maybe 40 damage, and do so for 2 or 3 energy. 90 and possible prevention of damage is really really broken. Why even bother with the other attack.
If you want to keep it, I suggest something like this:
[P][C] Dimension Shift (again I just like this name better, it's up to you what to call it) 20
Flip a coin. If heads, prevent all effects on attacks (including damage) done to Giratina during your opponent's next turn.
The first problem, is that you do not tell us what the "Lost Zone" is, so the attack does not make sense as it is. Second, banishing a Pokemon anywhere, even if it said "send it back to the bench" is completley pointless if you just did 120 to them. Unless you are attacking an undamaged stage 2, it is most likely a knock out. (unless it is a wailord.)
5 energy for any attack is WAY to much, and even more so for a Lv. X. Arcanine normal has a 120 damage attack for 4 energy, and Infernape X has a 2 energy for 150 attack. (with other requirements of course.)
With this attack, I can't even re-word it, it needs to be replaced. Unless you describe what the Lost Zone is and SEVERLEY reduce the damage delt, I can't see any reason to keep it. However keeping with the Giratina theme, and making the attack interesing and good, this is what I suggest:
[P][P][C][C] Dimensional Strike 80
Flip 3 coins. If 1 is heads, your opponent cannot play any trainer cards during his or her next turn. If 2 are heads, your opponet cannot play any Trainer or Stadium cards during his or her next turn. If all 3 are heads, your opponent cannot play any Trainer, Stadium, or Supportor cards during his or her next turn.
If I recall, Giratina is a ghost Pokemon, so a weakness to [D] (dark) might be more appropriate, but keep the "x2"
Ressistance looks ok, and esspecially so if Giratina is a ghost Pokemon.
Retreat is also appropriate.
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Same thing as I said for the above Pokemon. Take the normal "Giratina Orgin Form" into account and assume it will have no more then 80 or 90 HP. Reduce this to 110 or 100 for sure.
And to mix things up (since it is a new form) I suggest making it dark type [D].
I see where this is going, but the wording is extremely confusing, and it needs to be fixed a but to "de-complicate" it.
Instead of hand, is should say deck, and it would be better if it is worded like Deoxys and Castform have been in the past.
Dimension Shift
Once during your turn (before you attack), you may search your deck for a Giratina switch it with Giratina Orgin Form. (Any cards attached to Giratina Orgin Form, damage counter, Special Conditions, and effects are now on the new Pokemon.) If you do, put Giratina Orgin Form on top of your deck. Shuffle your deck afterward. You can't use more then 1 Dimension Shift Poke-Power each turn.
By the logic I use in the above Poke-Power, you shuffle Both the Level X and normal Giratina Orgin Form (because they are the same pokemon) but get ot replace them with a new Pokemon, Giratina.
Same general power, but different details.
Not really anythign exciting. 4 energy, and I have to discard 2 for 100. I don't see a reason to level up the card just for that.
It needs to be spiced up a bit. Try this:
[D][P][C] Orgin Crush
Choose 1 of your opponet's Pokemon. This attack does 60 damage to that Pokemon. If you have Giratina in play, this attack does 100 damage instead.
This gives a reason to play the card, and makes it a bit more interesting.
Weakness again I think needs to be to dark, ressistance is fine, and Retreat is fine.
On a side note, both cards need "[Level X Rule]" on the bottom and "Put on top of _ _ _ _ _ _ _ " at the top before Poke-Powers, and after HP.
Well I hope I helped a bit.
Good luck faking.
Giratina LV.X 160 HPsychic:
Well seeing as this is a level X, and a Basic Pokemon Lv. X at that, 160 HP is much, much ,much too high. By that logic, the basic (non lv X) Giratina must have at least 140 HP maybe 130 at the least, which is obviously way to high for a basic.
With that in mind, let's assume that the normal Giratina will have between 80 and 100 HP (most likely 80 or 90) and most of the time Lv.X cards add no more then 20 HP to the stats, so what I suggest is that you lower the HP to 100 or 110.
Name is good, and type seems right (unless I am mistaken in his type)
Once during your turn you may flip 2 coins. If both are heads,discard the defending pokemon and all cards attached to it (Do not draw a prize card).This power can not be used if Giratina is affected by a special condition and can only be used if Giratina is active.
Ok, this is EXTREMELY broken, no matter how you look at it. A free discard of your opponent's Pokemon, even if you have to flip 2 coins is extremely broken. Walrein has this power, yes, but he can only use the power when he is evolved. If you wish to keep this power, you need to have it so that is ONLY activates when the Pokemon is Leveled Up.
Also the wording is a tad off, but not much. Is should read like this:
Shadow Hand (honestly I like this name better, but it's a personal opinion.)
Once during your turn, when you play Giratina from your hand to Level Up your Active Pokemon, you may flip 2 coins. If both are heads, then discard the defending Pokemon and all cards attached to it. (This doesn't count as a knocked out Pokemon.)
Not only does it read the same as Walrein, and follow Pokemon TCG grammar, but it makes it much less broken.
Flip 1 coins. If both are heads, prevent all effects of an attack (Including damage) done to Giratina during your opponents next turn.
Ok, first of all, I can tell you edited the card because it says "Flip 1 coins. If both are heads." Having an agility like attack is perfectly ok, but you need to reduce the damage it does, and the energy it takes. Almost all cards with "Agility" or something with the same effect do only 30, maybe 40 damage, and do so for 2 or 3 energy. 90 and possible prevention of damage is really really broken. Why even bother with the other attack.
If you want to keep it, I suggest something like this:
[P][C] Dimension Shift (again I just like this name better, it's up to you what to call it) 20
Flip a coin. If heads, prevent all effects on attacks (including damage) done to Giratina during your opponent's next turn.
Flip a coin. If heads,the defending pokemon is banished to the Lost Zone.
The first problem, is that you do not tell us what the "Lost Zone" is, so the attack does not make sense as it is. Second, banishing a Pokemon anywhere, even if it said "send it back to the bench" is completley pointless if you just did 120 to them. Unless you are attacking an undamaged stage 2, it is most likely a knock out. (unless it is a wailord.)
5 energy for any attack is WAY to much, and even more so for a Lv. X. Arcanine normal has a 120 damage attack for 4 energy, and Infernape X has a 2 energy for 150 attack. (with other requirements of course.)
With this attack, I can't even re-word it, it needs to be replaced. Unless you describe what the Lost Zone is and SEVERLEY reduce the damage delt, I can't see any reason to keep it. However keeping with the Giratina theme, and making the attack interesing and good, this is what I suggest:
[P][P][C][C] Dimensional Strike 80
Flip 3 coins. If 1 is heads, your opponent cannot play any trainer cards during his or her next turn. If 2 are heads, your opponet cannot play any Trainer or Stadium cards during his or her next turn. If all 3 are heads, your opponent cannot play any Trainer, Stadium, or Supportor cards during his or her next turn.
Weakness-
Resistence-:colorless:fighting: - 30
Retreat- CCCC
If I recall, Giratina is a ghost Pokemon, so a weakness to [D] (dark) might be more appropriate, but keep the "x2"
Ressistance looks ok, and esspecially so if Giratina is a ghost Pokemon.
Retreat is also appropriate.
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Giratina Origin Form LV.X 140 HP
Same thing as I said for the above Pokemon. Take the normal "Giratina Orgin Form" into account and assume it will have no more then 80 or 90 HP. Reduce this to 110 or 100 for sure.
And to mix things up (since it is a new form) I suggest making it dark type [D].
Once during your turn,you may switch Giratina Origin Form with Giratina.Move Giratina Origin Form back to your hand.All special Conditions and counters are removed.All damage counters stay.
I see where this is going, but the wording is extremely confusing, and it needs to be fixed a but to "de-complicate" it.
Instead of hand, is should say deck, and it would be better if it is worded like Deoxys and Castform have been in the past.
Dimension Shift
Once during your turn (before you attack), you may search your deck for a Giratina switch it with Giratina Orgin Form. (Any cards attached to Giratina Orgin Form, damage counter, Special Conditions, and effects are now on the new Pokemon.) If you do, put Giratina Orgin Form on top of your deck. Shuffle your deck afterward. You can't use more then 1 Dimension Shift Poke-Power each turn.
By the logic I use in the above Poke-Power, you shuffle Both the Level X and normal Giratina Orgin Form (because they are the same pokemon) but get ot replace them with a new Pokemon, Giratina.
Same general power, but different details.
Discard 2 energy attached to Giratina Origin Form.
Not really anythign exciting. 4 energy, and I have to discard 2 for 100. I don't see a reason to level up the card just for that.
It needs to be spiced up a bit. Try this:
[D][P][C] Orgin Crush
Choose 1 of your opponet's Pokemon. This attack does 60 damage to that Pokemon. If you have Giratina in play, this attack does 100 damage instead.
This gives a reason to play the card, and makes it a bit more interesting.
Weakness again I think needs to be to dark, ressistance is fine, and Retreat is fine.
On a side note, both cards need "[Level X Rule]" on the bottom and "Put on top of _ _ _ _ _ _ _ " at the top before Poke-Powers, and after HP.
Well I hope I helped a bit.
Good luck faking.
charmander rox
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Absoltrainer wins this thread. Again. And again. And again.
Personally, for Stike of the Destroyed Sky, I would suggest something like this:
[P][P][C][C] Strike of the Destroyed Sky 70
If the Defending Pokemon is Knocked Out by this attack, banish the Defending Pokemon and all cards attached to it to the Lost Zone.
Personally, for Stike of the Destroyed Sky, I would suggest something like this:
[P][P][C][C] Strike of the Destroyed Sky 70
If the Defending Pokemon is Knocked Out by this attack, banish the Defending Pokemon and all cards attached to it to the Lost Zone.
Flygon999
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charmander rox
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Hold on, according to PokeBeach, the Giratina in the set Intense Fight in the Destroyed Sky will have the attack Strike of the Destroyed Sky. Palagariser.
Absoltrainer
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By that Logic, having ANY attack or Poke-body/Power that is on an existing card is plagiarism. So no more Baby Pokemon with Baby Evolution, and no Hydro Pump, or Holon like cards, or delta Pokemon, or ex Pokemon or the Agility( which I see a lot) or form change....etc.
It's ok to use an attack from a card that is not out or for that matter IS out. It shows less creativity, but it's not plagiaristic.
You can now use 20 smilies/symbols in a post, so that is why.
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