Grumpig --- The new Ludicargo

Discussion in 'Cards: Strategy and Rulings Discussion' started by Dante63s, Sep 27, 2007.

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  1. Dante63s

    Dante63s New Member

    In the last format this was not that good but now I see potential in this card, beacause Infernape, Magmortar, Empoleon and Hurricane are well played deck so this would reduce 30 damage (Empoleon might get around that, with CC) each time they attack it, not only that, it can do up to 110 damage.
    What to you think?
  2. Regis_Neo

    Regis_Neo Moderator

    No, not really. Ludicargo was special in that you would Smooth Over and then Swing Dance to essentially draw 1 card of your choice; the fact it had Circular Steps just made it all that better, but it could still have gotten stopped if the bench wasn't big enough on both sides. Grumpig has lower HP, no draw support like how Magcargo and Ludicolo comboed, and given the faster pace of the game, you aren't as likely to see big benches immediately. Just my opinion.
  3. Dante63s

    Dante63s New Member

    Its not Ludicargo but the attack is the sam, thats all, Nidoqueen Delta could work.
  4. Regis_Neo

    Regis_Neo Moderator

    If you're looking solely at Circular Steps, even then it wasn't so great, as it is too dependent on the bench size of both players. Both sides would need full benches just to reach the max of 110, which these days is out of OHKO range for some of the more bulkier Pokemon like Blissey, Empoleon, etc. without the use of Plus Powers or Strength Charms.
  5. Jigglypuff666

    Jigglypuff666 New Member

    It could work, but no where near as good as Ludicargo. With Nidoqueen, it could work, but (and I know this probably won't work) what about Luxray (DP) (probably in a 1-0-1 line) for it's Poké-Power? (Try to)fill their bench to try and keep that high damage going.
    And of course, the average HP is up, so, as Regis Neo said, you won't be able to OHKO some of the more bulky Pokémon.
  6. Rocket_Spenser

    Rocket_Spenser New Member

    My brother and i play tested grumpig. it really doesn't matter where your opponent's bench is. Most likely they'll have two and if you can keep your bench, that's 70 for three (60 for 2 if you DRE) on a stage 1 with resistance to very popular cards. It's no ludicargo, and in the end we decided against it for BR's but it's a respectable card and averages 70+ damage by turn 3. all-in-all, it's a well over-looked card that's actually not half bad.
  7. Dante63s

    Dante63s New Member

    Just an idea...
  8. DarthPika

    DarthPika New Member

    This won't work against Hurricane. All I have to do is show you 2 more nrg for OHKO.

    If you want somthing to beat the decks you listed, use Blissy.
  9. Dante63s

    Dante63s New Member

    Blissey is good! and yes this would have problems with Hurricane
  10. Professor Elm

    Professor Elm Active Member

    Speed Grumpig could be a very nice deck.
    You would want to base your deck around Grumpig and another Pokemon, but I could see it working.
    It makes it out of KO range for Ape and Empoleon most of the time.
    AND many decks need at least 3 bench pokemon or more to function properly. You prolly will average about 80-100 for 3 which is pretty darn good.

    It has potential, BUT then again so do a lot of things.
  11. Dante63s

    Dante63s New Member

    What do you think would be the best partner?
  12. Let Fire Fall

    Let Fire Fall New Member

    Grumpigs body makes it good too. Minus 30 from Empoleon and Inernape/ other water or fire things. Magmortar and Gatr as well.
  13. DarthPika

    DarthPika New Member

    I just said that it dosn't mean ANYTHING to Gatr. All I do is show you 2 more nrg for the OHKO. And it dosn't have much hp to begine with.
  14. Darkwalker

    Darkwalker New Member

    Chingling/Chimecho would be good starters for this to help get you bench set up quickly. As for a secondary attacker, something that has Psychic resistsance might be useful (Absol Ex maybe) or something that has very low attack costs since PPC wil be hard to recover from if it gets KO'd before it does enough damage to your opponent's Pokemon.
  15. Dante63s

    Dante63s New Member

    Chingling/Chimecho would work good, and yes for Hurricane this would be no problem.
  16. Ascension

    Ascension New Member

    Maybe Grumpig and Nidoqueen d/ Nidoqueen MT? Larger bench? <-- Nidoqueen MT. Opponent's large bench+ your large bench? <-- Grumpig. Delta Nidoqueen for searching pokes. Could work.
  17. therage

    therage New Member

    i like the idea,but i hate the fact that both poke's need 3 nrg to attack.
  18. Rocket_Spenser

    Rocket_Spenser New Member

    I run my Grumpig with Mightyena for psychic resistance and Delcatty for draw. Both of the ex's cause disruption end keep your bench up. It's a decent deck, and as much as pika would have us believe otherwise, it hold it's own quite well against Feraligatr and pretty much any fire/water deck (even bench hits are reduced by 30).
  19. lolganium

    lolganium New Member

    guys, guys, guys. just remember that hurricane is the best deck of 'em all, so... yeah

    [i hate hurricane:thumb:]

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