Guidance for Pokémon TCG Judges from Pokémon Organized Play

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  1. PokePop

    PokePop Administrator

    Team Compendium, Pokémon Organized Play (POP) and R&D have had multiple discussions prior to the 2015 US National Championships and at the 2015 World Championships. These discussions clarified for the Judge Staff how Pokémon wishes certain situations to be handled. POP is clarifying some of these in their Penalty Guidelines, but this article is meant to explain some of these best practices and to make sure the word is spread and put into practice. This article has been reviewed by POP and R&D and reflects their guidance.

    Decklist Penalties:
    The new Penalty Guidelines for the 2015-2016 season have been clarified and somewhat revised. There has been confusion in the past about best practices in this area, so don’t be surprised if the following doesn’t match up with how decklist issues have been handled in your area. This is, however, how Pokémon wants decklist issues to be handled going forward.
    Previously, deck issues carried a relatively light penalty. Unless it was both an illegal list and an illegal deck, the penalty was only a Caution or a Warning. However, the “fix” to the deck problem was seen by many players as much harsher than the actual penalty. The usual fix of any mismatch between a deck and a decklist that could not be uniquely determined was the replacement of the offending card with a Basic Energy card.
    Going forward, the fix of the deck will be more forgiving, however most Deck Penalties will start at Game Loss. The only exception will be Legal Deck, Legal Decklist, which will start at a Prize Loss.

    If card has been listed but is unclear, the contents of the deck can be used to determine what the correct card should be. For example, if a list just says “Squirtle” but not the set or set number, then the decklist will be corrected and updated using the information from the actual Squirtle card in the deck. The player will keep the Squirtle in their deck. If the judge staff determines that a player is purposely swapping out similar cards, this penalty will be escalated to Unsporting Conduct: Cheating.

    If a card is not listed at all, such as a decklist that has less than 60 cards listed, then it cannot have additional cards from the deck added to the list to bring the total up to 60. The unlisted card(s) must be replaced with Basic Energy. If the decklist lists a card but the deck contains another, then the decklist takes precedence and the deck must be corrected to match, or the non-listed card will be replaced with Basic Energy. In both of these cases, a Game Loss is the penalty.

    Generally speaking, while a decklist/deck problem will earn a Game Loss, penalties can be still be escalated based on the Judge determining if any significant advantage has been gained.

    Answering Players’ questions during an event:

    Judges have generally been following a rule of thumb of not answering most hypothetical questions from players and waiting until the action is actually performed before ruling on what happens as a result. The reasoning for this has been a reluctance to appear or actually give guidance that could be seen as “Coaching”.
    While the sentiment is laudable, feedback from Pokémon R&D and POP indicates judges have been too strict in this regard. Pokémon has instructed that players’ questions of fact and rulings on card interactions are to be given to players when requested. The only types of questions that should not be answered are advice questions, such as “should I do this or should I do that?”
    If there is a choice involved and are you being asked to help choose one choice vs another, do not answer that question. Any question along the lines of “if X is done to Y, what is the result?” should be answered. Note that this doesn’t necessarily mean that we will be human calculators for players. If a player asks, “Will this attack do X damage?”, you should ask them to walk through their calculations and then either confirm or correct them. This will give them the correct answer without encouraging them to be lazy about doing the math themselves.

    Deck and discard pile arrangement:

    POP is concerned with clarity of the Game Play area so that judges can easily see in passing what the game state is. However, this needs to be balanced with a player’s needs to have the layout arranged in a manner that makes their gameplay smooth and easy. While the Rule Book includes a layout of the game play area, it is not meant to be enforced rigidly. It has become widely known that Pokémon allows players to switch the layout between right side and left side to make play easier for left handed players. So it is permissible for the deck and discard pile to be on the left hand size and the Prize cards on the right. The important thing is that the deck and discard pile are on one side and Prize cards (and Lost Zone) are on the other side. This gives sufficient clarity to the game state for judges to see what is going on, while also accommodating left handed players.
    Similarly, Pokémon in not concerned about whether the deck and discard piles are switched in the layout. There are a number of good reasons that a Player might wish their discard pile to be further away from the table’s edge. They are still easily distinguished from each other, as one is face up and the other is face down. Do not interrupt a match to enforce a layout that does not impact the game’s clarity.

    Note that the deck still needs to be orientated “north/south” with the open end of the sleeve facing away from the player as this requirement is in place to address specific cheating concerns. That has not changed.

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  2. mbolick1883

    mbolick1883 New Member

    A new Penalty Guidelines for the 2015-2016 season has not yet been published on the Pokemon web site (at least not on the "Play! Pokémon Rules & Resources" page). Is this available anywhere?
  3. bulbasnore

    bulbasnore Administrator Staff Member Trader Feedback Mod

    Indeed, this guideline is not published in that format yet, but this official update has been published here. Please feel free to link to this thread or the article on the compendium site.
  4. PokePop

    PokePop Administrator

    We were given permission to go ahead with this guidance if the actual Penalty Guidelines hadn't been published by this date.
    Last edited: Jan 11, 2016
  5. vaporeon

    vaporeon Moderator

    This is great news to hear. I always felt replacing the card with a basic energy was a bit harsh. Most now will be happy for the prize loss, which is funny to hear. On the who coaching thing, I was on the bad side of this in a yugioh tournament where a judge coached my opponent to a win. I wasn't sure how to deal with this but now I know. The deck and discard pile was always something I always took my own methods with. I like to do what I do as long as its still view-able by the players and staff but in a way I like.
  6. MegaVelocibot

    MegaVelocibot <a href="

    A concern related to this issue, but the opposite side of the spectrum.

    For a malicious example, a player has prepared a decklist, trying to tech in cards to deal with every potential threat that is out there. However, this brings their deck list to over 60 cards. This is caught by a judge, but the player at the event may have knowledge of other players' submitted decklists at this point, and simply removes cards from their deck and decklist that do not help them as much, with matchups that are of reduced presence at the event they are attending.

    For a "simple mistake" example, a player just lost count of how many cards they were putting in, or bought an Elite Trainer Box and thought that they "had to" fill all the sleeves that came in it.
  7. PokePop

    PokePop Administrator

    Well, that's going to get a game loss if/when it is caught.
    So, that's why the starting penalty has been increased from Warning to Game Loss.
    This is to discourage any kind of playing around like this.
    A game loss should be significant enough to tilt the scales away from players trying to game this.
  8. bulbasnore

    bulbasnore Administrator Staff Member Trader Feedback Mod

    It also depends on how many rounds they played with that situation. It might warrant an escalation to DQ if activity supporting malicious intent was detected (e.g. interview with previous opponents shows use of Hex maniac, but not in the deck when caught in round vs Donphan).
  9. vayvon24h

    vayvon24h New Member

    However, this brings their deck list to over 60 cards.
  10. PokePop

    PokePop Administrator

    What does?
    Sorry, you'll need to be more specific on what you are referring to.

    I'm sure we're not saying to bring the number of cards over 60.
    More than likely it is meant that cards not on the deck list have to be removed while cards on the deck list but not in the deck would be added.
    Hard to say without knowing which statement you are referring to.
  11. MegaVelocibot

    MegaVelocibot <a href="

    They are referring to nothing; it's just another of those copy-paste spambots that used part of one of my posts.
  12. dungdn93

    dungdn93 New Member

    A new guide for the season 2015-2016 penalty has not yet been published on the website Pokemon (at least not on "Rules & Resources Pokémon Play!" Page). Is this available anywhere?

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