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After testing both decks, I feel as if Typhlosion is just a little bit better imo. Maybe it was just my list, I'm not sure, but Typhlosion's prolly the better play. I have yet to test vs Zekrom however, so that match-ups therorymon but honesty is better than TRUE theorymon. PLEASE NOTE: I consider mirror both Zekrom and Reshiram variants.

Reshiram/Emboar

This deck has great synergy with Shuckle, while Typhlosion doesn't. However, running Shuckle may or may not require you to run the following:

1-2 Shuckle
2-3 Seeker
1-2 Unown Return
0-4 SSU
13+ Fires
2-3 Retrieval
1-2 Fisherman.

The draw power's great, I agree it feels like a yugioh deck tbh, but thats too much space to devote to just a draw engine. So here's what your Emboar/Reshiram/Shuckle list would look like(At least for most PokeGym members =\ )

4 Reshiram
2-2-2 Emboar
2 Shuckle
2-2 Ninetales
1 Unown Return
=17

4 Collector
4 Comm
3 Plus power
3 Seeker
3 Retrieval
3 interviewers
2 Junk Arm
2 Juniper
2 Elm
2 Fisherman
1 Flower Shop
=29

12 Fire
2 Rescue
=14

Space certainly is tight, but teched out, trainer-wise.

My point is, is that while 'Boar may have a better mirror match, Typhlosions better vs everything else, paired with a decent pilot. My reason behind that is because Typhlosion is more reactive, for example running 2 twins and a cleffa. You go behind on prizes then explode on your opponent. The deck doesn't always afterburner then blue flare, letting you return ko me. No, the deck is more complex than that. If they have a Rescue energy, Judge and Flare Destroy them. If they have a Revive/Junk Arm, Judge and outrage.The deck relies more on OutRage than Blue flare, I personally Blue Flare once for each Reshiram, take a hit and then OutRage for one shots. reshiram does 120 then lets say it takes 80(Which is generally what it takes in every matchup that isn't Mirror or Magnezone), and I Afterburner it's at 90, do 110 w/ OutRage.

If things continue like they are with Emboar selling like drugs, which will only rise Emboar's presence at Nats then Typhlosion is not the play, imo. But also seeing as how Nats is blind, I'm really not sure. I'd rather play something that can counter a lot of things like my SD.

Just thought I'd share my opinions, if you guys are interested in my TyphloTech, shoot me a Pm.
 
Emboar varients beat typhlosion varients. Typhlosion can't setup a reshiram in one turn, putting him behind in prizes. Then when he does set it up, it has one damage counter so it gets killed in one turn anyway.
 
^ I have. And Typhlosion loses pretty much every game simply because of that one damage counter.

While that's certainly debatable, I'm not gonna argue. But I do is I just attach energy from hand to reshiram and drop a judge, hope to draw into energy / some way to find it and pass. Hopefully they don't attach a plus power and either blue flare or just pass. If they flared I just Outrage, if not it certainly is like a game of chess. I think people are forgetting that Typhlosion Prime itself is a good attacker. Like dropping a judge flare destroying a 1 energy reshiram. With zero energy on it they have to either draw into 3 energy for just fisherman / Interviewers. A lot of hoping i know, but this is what the formats like tbh.
 
Obviously he hasn't tested the matchup, or he'd find Typhlosion ends up the main attacker, ends up locking him out of energy, and costing him the game. I've eaten SO many Emboar decks that way. The other fun part is the 1-0-1 Serperior line that I personally enjoy running for magic-number matchups. It's almost worth running more Serperior, but you can't find the room.
 
Lol. What is typhlosion doing? It gets 2 hkoed and One energy doesn't even matter that much. Then if it dies your engine is gone

I think you're disregarding how judge brings you down to 4 cards, try hitting 3 energy off of those 4 cards to attempt to 2hko. Emphasis on attempt and the number 2, you kind of can't do that unless you draw juniper then juniper into GOD.
 
I run 8 shuffle supporters 4 retrieval ninetales and a LOT of energy

I feel as if most players aren't doing that, which is why in my testing at least, Typhlosion beat out 'Boar. Here's the 'Boar list I used to test against.


4 Reshiram
2-2-2 Emboar
2-2 Ninetales
1 Shuckle
1 Unown Return
=16

4 Collector
3 Elms
3 Interviewer
3 Comm
3 Candy
3 Energy retrieval
3 PlusPower
3 juniper
2 Fisherman
2 Seeker
1 Flowershop
=26

14 Fire
=14

Prolly completely different from yours, so our results certainly differ.
 
you've clearly never played the matchup. keep using bad theorymon to justify matchups you've never played. it just makes it easier for me in the long run.

you can play against bad players all day. But the thing is, you need a pluspower to kill me, i don't. I can also attack with emboar, only needing a pluspower to kill you, and you 2 shot me.
 
you've clearly never played the matchup. keep using bad theorymon to justify matchups you've never played. it just makes it easier for me in the long run.

Are you kidding me? Have you played against it? Because I have. I don't base my statements off of theorymon. So, you can take that haterade somewhere else.

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Also, you're forgetting that some players don't play with shuckle. So, if you don't test every matchup, meaning YOU HAVE TO PLAY AGAINST EVERY VERSION OF THAT DECK, then all of your statements on here don't mean didily squat.
 
Listen, I love how people assume that everyone else is using theorymon. I've playtested the match-up and so far at least for me emboar seems to be winning more, which is why I brought up those counter points. Next time you accuse someone of just throwing random babblings out the window, you should probably go and playtest it yourself. Have you even tried RDL? I really think you're putting way to much emphasis on having two typhlosion on the field.

Having one and a energy in your hand doesn't mean that you will have the ability to prepare reshiram, because reshiram is going to be return KO'd. You use rehisram's blue flare, your opponent brings up a reshiram and gets a return KO. You bring up reshiram, attach for the turn, attach with typhlosion, and oh wait! That's right you can't attach 3 energy in one turn! Don't get me wrong, it's still a good match-up, and emboar has its problems too, but in all my testing emboar just seems to be winning more simply because with energy retrieval, and fisherman you get enough energy to get your six prizes every game.

So in conclusion, while typhlosion is a good deck, I'm not sure it can beat emboar as consistently as I would like. This isn't based on some theorymon argument, I've actually play tested the match-up, so please do not respond with "You're using theorymon", or with "Typhlosion is faster". I don't see how you can argue that two stage two decks on the same engine, that one of them would be faster... That just doesn't make logical sense.
 
Obviously he hasn't tested the matchup, or he'd find Typhlosion ends up the main attacker, ends up locking him out of energy, and costing him the game. I've eaten SO many Emboar decks that way. The other fun part is the 1-0-1 Serperior line that I personally enjoy running for magic-number matchups. It's almost worth running more Serperior, but you can't find the room.

Aren't you smart to assume things you don't know :p

So.. you going to try and two hit me with Typhlosion, and I can one hit you with Reshiram and a PlusPower or just Reshiram and the one counter you had on you... Yeah, that seems pretty logical.
 
Listen, I love how people assume that everyone else is using theorymon. I've playtested the match-up and so far at least for me emboar seems to be winning more, which is why I brought up those counter points. Next time you accuse someone of just throwing random babblings out the window, you should probably go and playtest it yourself. Have you even tried RDL? I really think you're putting way to much emphasis on having two typhlosion on the field.

Having one and a energy in your hand doesn't mean that you will have the ability to prepare reshiram, because reshiram is going to be return KO'd. You use rehisram's blue flare, your opponent brings up a reshiram and gets a return KO. You bring up reshiram, attach for the turn, attach with typhlosion, and oh wait! That's right you can't attach 3 energy in one turn! Don't get me wrong, it's still a good match-up, and emboar has its problems too, but in all my testing emboar just seems to be winning more simply because with energy retrieval, and fisherman you get enough energy to get your six prizes every game.

So in conclusion, while typhlosion is a good deck, I'm not sure it can beat emboar as consistently as I would like. This isn't based on some theorymon argument, I've actually play tested the match-up, so please do not respond with "You're using theorymon", or with "Typhlosion is faster". I don't see how you can argue that two stage two decks on the same engine, that one of them would be faster... That just doesn't make logical sense.

Yes!! You win this thread. :smile:

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Aren't you smart to assume things you don't know :p

So.. you going to try and two hit me with Typhlosion, and I can one hit you with Reshiram and a PlusPower or just Reshiram and the one counter you had on you... Yeah, that seems pretty logical.

I feel the same way dude. Those Ty players, they never know when to quit. :nonono:
 
Gallade the "bad players" I test against are national champs and nats 2nd placers. I guess were all bad. None of what you or your friend amply said changes the fact that both these decks fold to Zekrom, which was the point of my previous post.
 
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Well, yea, Emboar is the better option in the mirror match, but mirror matches aren't the best way to test who's the better option. I'm sure Emboar works better in some matches and Typhlosion works better in others. It's crazy to see some people pick one and just declare it right away to be the better option all day erry day
 
You know, Emboar/Typhlosion can be it's own deck with a 2-2 RDL + ninetails draw.

RDL = 4 prizes vs the water matchup without having an autoloss to them since it's weakness is PC.
 
You know, Emboar/Typhlosion can be it's own deck with a 2-2 RDL + ninetails draw.

RDL = 4 prizes vs the water matchup without having an autoloss to them since it's weakness is PC.

While I would agree with you on this. I just think Reshiram is necessary because of the fear of Cincinno, Zoroark, and the buffalo guy. All three of these can one shot you.

@CMsvW - I'm not saying Emboar is necessarily better, I'm making the point that in my testing emboar seems to win the mirror more, and that at least for me is working a little better. I even pointed out that it was just my results, and I could see how someone else could get it differently as the decks are so close. I was just trying to generate positive discussion instead of theorymon discussion.

@Rambo1000 - I haven't playtested with zekrom yet so even though that's a bit surprising, I'm not gonna argue with you until I get the chance. Are you running magnezone as a back-up attack though? It just seems like the deck could run out of steam without some other pokemon supporting it.
 
Gallade the "bad players" I test against are national champs and nats 2nd placers. I guess were all bad. None of what you or your friend amply said changes the fact that both these decks fold to Zekrom, which was the point of my previous post.

Not always. Zekrom won't always go off fast like that. Not in this format anyway. We still have Spiritomb, and other stupid stuff that stops your setup. Now next format we'll get Catcher, but that'll work great for both decks. At that point, it could be anyone's game depending on who goes off first.
 
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