ZAKtheGeek
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You know, there's a lot between "citizen" and "illegal alien..."
Illegal Immigration Discussion
- Thread starter PSYCO829
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Uh....thats exactly what a "citizen" means. It is where you were born or have become naturalized.
Keith
Cyrus
Iron Chef - Master Emeritus
I feel we have no right to criticize illegal aliens in our country. Absolutely none, primarily because we've encouraged it through decades of bad foreign policy, and neglect of our own borders.
However, we certainly have a right to fix our mistakes. Regardless of where we came from, it is a bad thing, especially in an era when extremists half-way across the world wish to do us harm with the most destructive weapons known to man.
The first step is a monumental wall on the northern _and_ southern borders of the country, obviously starting with the southern. This triple digit BS George W. Bush and John McCain love so much disgusts me.
-Key point: an issue with this is that in order to get a large "wall" finished, contractors will probably use illegals to do it. Although it goes against an assumed ideal, I don't care how it's completed, just as long as we have it. Its purpose is a long-term one.
The second step is an eventual phasing out of the current naturalization laws. This is a must for many reasons, the biggest of which are:
-Illegal parents become de facto citizens by giving birth to technically "legal" citizens, since it causes more issues to separate a family than to keep it together. This is wrong because they bypass standard procedures that every legal immigrant goes through.
-An extended issue is that pregnant Illegal women often come to this country with little or nothing, so when they give birth in our country's hospitals, they get the operation for FREE! Free surgeries mean much higher bills for everyone.
We as people have to demand a change. My ideas are certainly nothing new, and are not supposed to be considered the best by any means, but the point is that secure borders are a MUST for any real country.
Jim Ferrell
Member
I personally think its disgusting and really is one of the rare areas that really makes me extremely mad. My presidential vote will sway heavily on immigration control.
As others have already said, our jails are swelling with illegal immigrants, our hospitals must treat them, our schools must adapt, etc. The illegally cross the border and mate like crazy and then give birth to "naturalized US citizens." If you look at human demographics, you will see that the only prominant population growth is in the Hispanic communities. Population control is something that needs to happen within this country, we are going to run out of resources very soon. All of the industrialized nations all around the world either have stabilized or shrinking population growth.
I am not a racist, I am just saying that I think its unfair and ridiculous for people to come into this country because of poor border control and policies set in place by our government for so many years. One of my best professors is from Mexico, but her parents are legal citizens, she talked about it when we discussed human demography. Do you know how frustrating it is when people who are here illegally, call for walk-outs and other sorts of nonsense like that. The only reason why they have such a huge influence over American jobs (even lower-level maintenance) and would have a huge impact on our economy is because they are willing to work for so much less than American counterparts and are hired. It's like entrenchment or something. If they learn English and can become productive citizens of our country, than fine. But I see that the majority of illegal immigrants are leeching on the United States and doing a great deal of harm to the country.
99.9% of us are descendents of immigrants, some of which were illegal, I'm not overlooking that. But we all are educated and understand English, and most of us have the capacity to do well in this country. There's a big difference between immigration one hundred years ago or two hundred years ago when the country still had large amounts of unsettled land and there was a wide array of jobs, land, and resources. That's not the case today at all. I know a big reason why illegal immigration occurs is because the United States is the "land of opportunity" and is "so much better than x country" but at what point does it become too much?
I'm just tired of the overflowing hospitals, prisons, and women either sneaking across the border ready to drop their baby on the soil or becoming pregnant as soon as they get here. It is weakening the country. I think it's absolutely ridiculous that teachers are forced to learn Spanish because of illegal immigrants or how our education system which is already overrun, gets bogged down with the children of illegal immigrants. It takes a big set of balls to demand more Spanish TV channels when you're here illegally. Look at all of the advertisements that must be in Spanish, or look at some of the consumer goods, added in Spanish as well. Those people who are here legally, should not have to learn a different language to deal with people who are robbing this country blind. (But, there is nothing wrong with learning a second language to be more educated, I'm just saying it shouldn't be a necessity, I just love education)
I'll leave you with one final thought/example. There's a Mexican restaurant near my mom's house in Ohio. The food is great, the people are great, but they're always bringing in new help. Hmm...I wonder. Anyways, my point is that did you know that if you own a business and are an immigrant, you are exempt from paying taxes for seven years? Yeah, so basically the one family can transfer the business within its family, and get out of paying taxes for a long, long time.
Ignorance and unproductivity breeds ignorance and unproductivity.
~Jim
As others have already said, our jails are swelling with illegal immigrants, our hospitals must treat them, our schools must adapt, etc. The illegally cross the border and mate like crazy and then give birth to "naturalized US citizens." If you look at human demographics, you will see that the only prominant population growth is in the Hispanic communities. Population control is something that needs to happen within this country, we are going to run out of resources very soon. All of the industrialized nations all around the world either have stabilized or shrinking population growth.
I am not a racist, I am just saying that I think its unfair and ridiculous for people to come into this country because of poor border control and policies set in place by our government for so many years. One of my best professors is from Mexico, but her parents are legal citizens, she talked about it when we discussed human demography. Do you know how frustrating it is when people who are here illegally, call for walk-outs and other sorts of nonsense like that. The only reason why they have such a huge influence over American jobs (even lower-level maintenance) and would have a huge impact on our economy is because they are willing to work for so much less than American counterparts and are hired. It's like entrenchment or something. If they learn English and can become productive citizens of our country, than fine. But I see that the majority of illegal immigrants are leeching on the United States and doing a great deal of harm to the country.
99.9% of us are descendents of immigrants, some of which were illegal, I'm not overlooking that. But we all are educated and understand English, and most of us have the capacity to do well in this country. There's a big difference between immigration one hundred years ago or two hundred years ago when the country still had large amounts of unsettled land and there was a wide array of jobs, land, and resources. That's not the case today at all. I know a big reason why illegal immigration occurs is because the United States is the "land of opportunity" and is "so much better than x country" but at what point does it become too much?
I'm just tired of the overflowing hospitals, prisons, and women either sneaking across the border ready to drop their baby on the soil or becoming pregnant as soon as they get here. It is weakening the country. I think it's absolutely ridiculous that teachers are forced to learn Spanish because of illegal immigrants or how our education system which is already overrun, gets bogged down with the children of illegal immigrants. It takes a big set of balls to demand more Spanish TV channels when you're here illegally. Look at all of the advertisements that must be in Spanish, or look at some of the consumer goods, added in Spanish as well. Those people who are here legally, should not have to learn a different language to deal with people who are robbing this country blind. (But, there is nothing wrong with learning a second language to be more educated, I'm just saying it shouldn't be a necessity, I just love education)
I'll leave you with one final thought/example. There's a Mexican restaurant near my mom's house in Ohio. The food is great, the people are great, but they're always bringing in new help. Hmm...I wonder. Anyways, my point is that did you know that if you own a business and are an immigrant, you are exempt from paying taxes for seven years? Yeah, so basically the one family can transfer the business within its family, and get out of paying taxes for a long, long time.
Ignorance and unproductivity breeds ignorance and unproductivity.
~Jim
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Articjedi
Active Member
=P. This really should be reserved for a different board, and the discussions here are heated, what are the children supposed to think? I mean english lessons are one thing. Heated, redundant political arguments are another (none of you guys are changing anyone's mind by posting this stuff).
Dark Weedle
New Member
building a wall wont stop many people
PSYCO829
New Member
children need to know about this
any kid under the age of 10 probably will not be retireing until the age of 90+ because our social security is basically gone
and where has this social security gone? a great deal of it to pay for medial care, insurance, and hospital bills for people who have absolutely no right to be here
the kids of today are the adults of tommorrow, and if they arent told about this, they could find their future pretty badly messed up
discussions like this can turn heated, you are quite right
hence why i added to the first post if you only flame or only bash, i WILL get this thread locked
it wont stop any of them, actually
I love how people are saying that the "illegal" immigrants should get the [fudge] out, when said immigrants are engaging in the time-honoured tradition of shoving their way into someone else's land and making demands until the culture changes to suit them. Just because there's less all-around space for people doesn't change the overall effect it has on the original society.
That said, do I consider illegal immigration wrong? Of course I do. But trying to say (or, rather, imply) that centuries ago nobody was stealing land from the people already there and mucking up their culture is absurd. So man up, admit Canada and America as we live in them weren't created in a sunny sunshiny happy fashion, realize that just because the English and French settlers did it doesn't mean it's right for the Mexicans to, and go from there. This sort of thing requires proper logic.
That said, do I consider illegal immigration wrong? Of course I do. But trying to say (or, rather, imply) that centuries ago nobody was stealing land from the people already there and mucking up their culture is absurd. So man up, admit Canada and America as we live in them weren't created in a sunny sunshiny happy fashion, realize that just because the English and French settlers did it doesn't mean it's right for the Mexicans to, and go from there. This sort of thing requires proper logic.
PSYCO829
New Member
back then we didnt have constitutions, organized ways of politicing with others, or a UN
it was whoever had the strongest military won
americans are quite ashamed of the way we treated the native americans
seriously, we are
we gave them back much of their land (especially in florida with the seminoles), and also gave them alot of special rights to try to ease tensions, and so far they appear to have forgiven us
but as i said, i have absolutely no problem with legal mexican americans
if you come into this country with a visa and become a citizen, i have no problem with you whatsoever
by coming into this country illegally, you are screwing up our social security system, and so far no politician has had the balls to tell them enough is enough
america had a bad begining with the way native americans were treated, but we addressed the issue and made peace
now we have another issue of people invading us (oh the irony)
LegacyEeveeVGC
Active Member
I am against it in every way.
If they want to come over the LEGAL way then I am ok with it because then they can get a job on there on and not use someone elses ID to get one.
Its called ILLEGAL for a reason.
BTW
I think if you want to come here to the USA where we speak English, don't tell us to speak what you speak... you need to speak what we speak here..
If they want to come over the LEGAL way then I am ok with it because then they can get a job on there on and not use someone elses ID to get one.
Its called ILLEGAL for a reason.
BTW
I think if you want to come here to the USA where we speak English, don't tell us to speak what you speak... you need to speak what we speak here..