i decided to change the name to fit Magic Umbreon's newly posted empoleon thread. pokemon: 23 4-3-3/1 empoleon/lv x 2-2 palkia lv x 2-2 mantine 2-2 claydol trainers:20 3 Steven's 2 TGW 2 POV 3 roseanne 4 celios 3 Candy 1 night maintenance 2 switch 1 primeir ball energy:17 8 water 2 holon wp (help against sonic blade and the like.) 3 scramble 3 DRE STRATEGY! i use the basic empoleon strategy. with the help of palkia's disruption and mantines free retreat. spread damage on big things, then bring it up with palkia to kill it off, while free retreating their choice to bring empoleon back up. my ideas for some changes: posible techs shiftry ex- punish powers and help spread damage. may need multi energy for this. ampharos sw spread more damage via pokebody. swampert ge- help move energy around, could attack with it if need be, then move the energy off it when it goes back to the bench. 4 for 80 and discard isnt bad. absol ex- with mag around this seems like a deffinate no. sharpedo sw- everything should have 20 on it so i could do 80 for 3, then they take damage for attacking me. or just 2 more trainers to help set up or something. maybe 2 stadiums of some sort so as to not waste a palkia start if it happens. choices would be- speed, battle fronteir, and/or glacias (doubt there will be ANY electric though). plus power so i can OHKO magmortar and break the 80 hp line which a fair few of things have. i was also wondering if this would need a starter of some sort. pachirisu and lapras could both work well. a big thank you to anyone and everyone that helps!