Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Lets talk about the bans people put on the Pokemon games

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Well, a good Physical Sweeper can take them out and Garchomp and Salamence can do that and they can be just as Uber if they have an item that increases power or any stats. So its the Items that make a Pokemon Uber as well. Just not moveset and stats.

a "good sweeper" can take ANYTHING out, ubers included. the latis are far too overpowered.
 
That should not make them uber just for being a little better. They are just a powerful as any OU Pokemon and thats a good thing, movepool or not.
 
Besides, I'm pretty sure that no non-OHKO attack can do a one-hit knockout on a properly EVed Umbreon (maybe a critical, I'm not sure).

I did use Cross Chop as an example for a reason.

In any case, I will point out again that the percentages on a three- or four-turn KO are very similar between OHKOs and "Fire Blast" attacks. The only discrepancy is the two-turn KO, which I frankly don't see as that overpowering.
 
That should not make them uber just for being a little better. They are just a powerful as any OU Pokemon and thats a good thing, movepool or not.

a little? a perfect type combanation and an awesome movepool with very well made stats? a little?
name me one OU pokemon who has that (please say metagross or sally so i can laugh, please?)
 
Perfect type combination? Sableye, who has no weaknesses unless you Foresight him.
Awesome movepool? Smeargle, who has every move in the game at his disposal.
Well-made stats? Anything with a total above 600.

Single OU (on German Koffing's list) with all that? Metagross or Sally, because it'll be fun to see you be the one to laugh for once.

Latis are uber for their movepools and versatility NOT for Soul Dew.

I dunno, effective stat total of 680 is the classic definition of "über"...

Also has your university work given you any free moments at all to dig up that documentation you promised me? I'm still waiting.
 
Perfect type combination? Sableye, who has no weaknesses unless you Foresight him.
Awesome movepool? Smeargle, who has every move in the game at his disposal.
Well-made stats? Anything with a total above 600.
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Yea, but apparently the uber rule only refers Legendary Pokemon. Heck if Pikachu had base stats of 600+, good typing and a large movepool it would not be an uber just because you can breed it. Oh and Rayquaza should not be uber because he has bad typing.
 
Perfect type combination? Sableye, who has no weaknesses unless you Foresight him.
Awesome movepool? Smeargle, who has every move in the game at his disposal.
Well-made stats? Anything with a total above 600.

do you have any idea how pathetic that arguement is
seriously, ive come to respect most of ur posts, and you fling this retardation at me?

the latis have ALL these things combined together, not just one
sableye is balanced because of his low stats
same with smeargle
all the other base 600 pokemon that arent ubers are balances either by their limited movepool (like metagross), or by their type combanation (like salamence)

Single OU (on German Koffing's list) with all that? Metagross or Sally, because it'll be fun to see you be the one to laugh for once.

salamence is double weak to ice, so he has an achiles heal built in
the latis have no such built in weakness

metagross's move pool is quite limited (starting off with no egg moves, ending with learning not alot of TM's to counter this), why do you think 90% of metagross out there will know meteor mash, earthquake, and explosion? cuz he is limited in his learning abilities


I dunno, effective stat total of 680 is the classic definition of "über"...

Also has your university work given you any free moments at all to dig up that documentation you promised me? I'm still waiting.

uber means it would be very unbalanced in the OU enviornment, not a high base stats
slaking has stats of 680, call him an uber =/

Yea, but apparently the uber rule only refers Legendary Pokemon. Heck if Pikachu had base stats of 600+, good typing and a large movepool it would not be an uber just because you can breed it. Oh and Rayquaza should not be uber because he has bad typing.

it would be an uber, cuz pikechu would have only one weakness, high base stats, and a wide move pool
that would definatly unbalance the OU world
 
The OU environment is already unbalanced. The only way you could get it balanced is to get rid of all first attack move and stat buff and kill all of the items.
 
The OU environment is already unbalanced. The only way you could get it balanced is to get rid of all first attack move and stat buff and kill all of the items.

wrong
haze and other psuedo haze moves get rid of stat buffs, there arent any broken items out right now, and what the heck are you talking about first attack moves?
 
Wow, I thought this topic was dead when Marril and I stopped debating (I'm realizing the simulator argument simply comes down to an ideological difference, and we won't get solid stats for normal damage attacks--and if we can, I'm not doing it).

I have no clue on the Lati@s argument, so I'll stay out of it (other than Soul Dew is obviously Uber)

Spiritomb is much better than Sableye with the same typing, so that's a better argument.

Salamance is so powerful mainly because it isn't hit. If you try to switch in an Ice type, it often won't survive to attack (it would be 2HKO'd)

Metagross doesn't have that bad a movepool in D/P (for example, I believe it gets the elemental punches from Emerald), It just uses those moves because they're the best moves. Meteor Mash has STAB and can increase attack for decent power, Earthquake has great power, accuracy and type coverage, and Explosion is always a trump card (especially since it can take a hit or two).
 
Yea, but apparently the uber rule only refers Legendary Pokemon.

Wobba-Wobbuffet! *salutes*

slaking has stats of 680

No he doesn't. 150+160+100+95+65+100=670.

there arent any broken items out right now

"Standard rules and clauses" thread says Focus Band and Quick Claw and so on are broken and thus deserve the ban hammer with extreme prejudice.

and what the heck are you talking about first attack moves?

RATTATA used ENDURE!
RATTATA used QUICK ATTACK!
 
No he doesn't. 150+160+100+95+65+100=670.

even more pathetic, now ure getting into minor technicalities

"Standard rules and clauses" thread says Focus Band and Quick Claw and so on are broken and thus deserve the ban hammer with extreme prejudice.

...and?
they arent broken, they just recieve the donk obnoixious title that OHKO moves get


RATTATA used ENDURE!
RATTATA used QUICK ATTACK!

oh, thats what ur talking about
btw, the combo is focus sash, endeavor, quick attack
 
even more pathetic, now ure getting into minor technicalities

You're the one that said "Slaking has 680 base stats; call him über". I pointed out that he does not have 680 total base stats. That's not a "minor technicality." That just defeated your entire statement.

they arent broken, they just recieve the donk obnoixious title that OHKO moves get

And as always, "donk obnoxious" really just means "I don't want to lose to it because it activates randomly." Of course, certain other items that only activate randomly aren't on the list, rendering it completely arbitrary and self-defeating of its own purpose.

btw, the combo is focus sash, endeavor, quick attack

Endure->Quick Attack also works if you get a crazy Focus Band proc (or ignore species clause and pack two Rattata). But yes, "always attacks first" moves are what I'm guessing he was referring to.
 
You're the one that said "Slaking has 680 base stats; call him über". I pointed out that he does not have 680 total base stats. That's not a "minor technicality." That just defeated your entire statement.

groudon and kyogre have base stats of 670 as well
they are ubers
seriously, you defeated what? urself? kthnxbai

And as always, "donk obnoxious" really just means "I don't want to lose to it because it activates randomly." Of course, certain other items that only activate randomly aren't on the list, rendering it completely arbitrary and self-defeating of its own purpose.

yes, it does, you caught on
no one wants to lose to random crap luck
and name me another random activation item please
and dont even say scope lense

Endure->Quick Attack also works if you get a crazy Focus Band proc (or ignore species clause and pack two Rattata). But yes, "always attacks first" moves are what I'm guessing he was referring to.

no, it doesnt
you endure, then quick attack
...and accomplished... what?

and i will say it again, because you never, for some reason, seem to respond to it:rolleyes:

IF YOU DO NOT LIKE SMOG ON RULES, DO NOT ENTER THEIR TOURNOMENT
 
groudon and kyogre have base stats of 670 as well
they are ubers

When have I ever said they were?

no one wants to lose to random crap luck
and name me another random activation item please
and dont even say scope lense

And why not, exactly? Nothing beats critical hits for frustration factor when you could've won if only your guy wasn't killed accidentally, going by your logic.

Attacks that proc statuses should fall under this category as well, as should attacks that can miss, and... wait, I just realized, German Koffing is totally full of it when it comes to banning certain things because of "luck."

you endure, then quick attack
...and accomplished... what?

You've activated your stat berry for MASSIVE DAMAGE, clearly.

IF YOU DO NOT LIKE SMOG ON RULES, DO NOT ENTER THEIR TOURNOMENT

German Koffing really needs to learn that it's not the centre of the universe when it comes to Pokémon, and they need to stop trying to enforce silly and arbitrary fan rules on the game like they have even a shred of real authority.
 
I have no clue on the Lati@s argument, so I'll stay out of it (other than Soul Dew is obviously Uber)

I am just trying to prove that they aren't uber. There are many other Pokemon that should be uber but, since other people don't use them like me, they don't have a problem with it. You all just need to accept the fact that all Pokemon don't have double weakness. Ban something because they have good typing, what is that. Latias and Latios are not uber.
 
When have I ever said they were?

you dont need to, its like saying the sky is blue
its rather obvious

And why not, exactly? Nothing beats critical hits for frustration factor when you could've won if only your guy wasn't killed accidentally, going by your logic.

critical hits were put into the game to beat defence buffs
if i send out a claydol, and use cpsmic power 6 times, ive basically won
critical hits go around these buffs, thats why they are important

scope lense only works on a severly limited pokemon, almost any tournoment worthy pokemon will utilize a different item, its pokemon like drapion and absol who get to use it, because they dont have much to work with outside of critical moves


Attacks that proc statuses should fall under this category as well, as should attacks that can miss, and... wait, I just realized, German Koffing is totally full of it when it comes to banning certain things because of "luck."

marril saying someone is full of it?
thats like me calling you crazy :nonono:

You've activated your stat berry for MASSIVE DAMAGE, clearly.

WARNING CAPTAIN, STUPIDITY LEVEL IS REACHING CRITICAL MASS

German Koffing really needs to learn that it's not the centre of the universe when it comes to Pokémon, and they need to stop trying to enforce silly and arbitrary fan rules on the game like they have even a shred of real authority.

this statement barely dignifies an answer, but it gets one out of sheer sympathy for its creator
they dont force anyone to use their rules, they hold their own tournoments
many others like the rules of which smog on uses, and thus use them for their tournoment
get ur facts straight
 
well

latis with soul dew better be uber, cuz that makes them sweep pretty much everything

and besides, slaking is not uber, its ability makes it suck (well it doesnt really XD) and same with regigigas
 
you dont need to, its like saying the sky is blue
its rather obvious

You're missing the part where I defined "über." Saying that Kyogre/Groudon are über under that definition is like saying the sky is red.

critical hits were put into the game to beat defence buffs

But they also add randomness to the game and detract from the German Koffing idea of "skill." After all, the German Koffing ideal for the game is one where no random factors affect the outcome at all, and critical hits detract from that. What was it that German Koffing was saying? "Skill is prediction"? It's impossible to reliably predict a critical hit. Thus, critical hits are by the German Koffing definition not skillful.

Just saying.

marril saying someone is full of it?

I call 'em as I see 'em.

they dont force anyone to use their rules,

Right, that's why German Koffing rules are listed as the "online standard", am I right? It has nothing to do with people following their illogical rules just on faith that they're somehow the best Pokémon players when they simply set the metagame to how they like it, metagame health be damned, 'mirite?
 
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