Lizards and Sharks (Eon)

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  1. Prime

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    So your looking for a water pokemon that can attack for colorless energy? Why not use Aquapolis Suicune? You don't even need water energy then. Just use multi-energy, count it as water, then put grass on it. Now, I dunno the rules, but I think it would not make you discard an energy card if you lay a multi energy card on him. That way you can do 30 damage and it's a basic. Takes up less space.
     
  2. dkates

    dkates New Member

    Again, don't have it, but I really wish I did! That card's a beast! BTW, you would have been wrong a few days ago, but you're right now. If I put a Multi on Suicune, I don't have to discard an Energy.
     
    Last edited: Nov 1, 2003
  3. dkates

    dkates New Member

    After getting trounced by a Gardevoir deck tonight, I am again giving this deck a major update. This time, I'll post an updated list.

    Pokemon (23):
    4 Treecko (Razor Leaf)
    4 Grovyle (2 Natural Cure, 2 Poison Breath)
    4 Sceptile (2 Lizard Poison, 2 Energy Trans)
    2 Azurill
    3 Marill (Error)
    2 Azumarill
    2 Dunsparce (SS)
    2 Ditto (SK)

    Trainers (19):
    3 Copycat
    2 Professor Oak's Research
    3 Juggler
    2 Wally's Training
    2 Pokemon Nurse
    1 Town Volunteers
    3 Switch
    3 Super Scoop Up

    Energy (18):
    11 Grass Energy
    4 Multi Energy
    3 Water Energy

    Strategy: Pretty much same as before, although the Water line changed. Azurill should help account for the small Trainer engine, and the Azumarill are both Water backup and general backup hitter.

    I am a little concerned about my high Pokemon count and low Trainer count. Any suggestions on ways to fix this (although many good ones come to mind that I can't do) would be appreciated, as would any other comments or fixes.

    EDIT: Also, if anyone who gives a comment or fix wants to suggest a new name, I'm all ears!
     
    Last edited: Nov 5, 2003
  4. ToysRUsKid

    ToysRUsKid Active Member

    hehe, im sorry :D, drop wally's for elm's training method
     
  5. SteveP

    SteveP Active Member

    Status effects and grass pretty well shuts down Gardevoir decks by themselves. I don't see how changing your water type to the complete Marill line improves it much. Marill (free retreat version) by itself is a pretty decent change, but not the whole evo line, IMO.

    Yesterday, I played my Gardevoir deck against a Dustox/Beedrill deck and got TOTALLY whipped. I need more Switches and Warp Energies in the Gardevoir deck to if I want to compete against Grass/effect decks.
     
  6. dkates

    dkates New Member

    Well, thing is, Vaporeon hadn't been helping me either. True, I didn't do anything that would specifically improve the deck for matches against Gardevoir, but I think Azumarill will be more useful in general because it's also powerful enough for an offensive without a type advantage, IMO.

    Don't worry, TRUK. If anything, I should be thanking you for beating me, since it showed I needed to do something to the deck.
     
  7. Magnechu

    Magnechu Active Member

    Pokemon (22):
    4 Treecko (Razor Leaf)
    4 Grovyle (Poison Breath)
    4 Sceptile (2 Lizard Poison, 2 Energy Trans)
    3 Carvahna
    3 Sharpedo
    2 Dunsparce (SS)
    2 Ditto (SK)

    Trainers (20):
    4 Bill's Maintenance
    2 Professor Oak's Research
    3 Oracle
    2 PETM
    2 Pokemon Nurse
    1 Town Volunteers
    3 Switch
    3 Super Scoop Up

    Energy (18):
    11 Grass Energy
    4 Multi Energy
    3 Water Energy


    It's pretty much the same thing. except Sharpedo is better than Vaporeon and Azumarril. I see the usefullness of Azurill and Marril, but there not good enough. Copycat is horrible in this format. Bill's Maintenance, IMO, is a lot better. Also, Juggler is the reason you always have Energy shortages against me. Oracle is better. LMK if you want more help, and we'll battle again soon. :)
     
  8. dkates

    dkates New Member

    Thanks, Magnechu. Other than keeping the 2/2 split on the Grovyles, I've switched to your suggested list.
     
  9. dkates

    dkates New Member

    The current version of the deck (Magnechu's decklist with a 2/2 split on the Grovyles) is now 1-2 in playtesting. All three matches were against Blaziken decks, one of the losses being a Blaziken/Exeggutor. The other two matches were against a Blaziken/Moltres/Linoone, and the loss was due to a bad draw on my part (only one Pokemon the whole game). Sharpedo's definitely working for this deck.
     
  10. Ultramew

    Ultramew New Member

    Actually, not to go too far off topic, but can Azumarrill's drizzle bring down Rainbow and Multi? Because if you could, you could bring them down, and the energy trans 'em to your other Pokemon.
     
  11. dkates

    dkates New Member

    Nope. It can't. Nice try, though.
     
  12. SteveP

    SteveP Active Member

    Just curious dkates, have you ever accidently transfered two Multi Energies to one Pokemon when playing Nurse? Man, that would be kind of a funny mistake.

    Hey, thanks for this posted deck. It's my next E-on deck type. I've gotta wonder why more decks aren't using Master Ball or Fast Ball. I'm having great luck with those non-Supporter in many of my decks.
     
  13. dkates

    dkates New Member

    In my case, I'm not using Master Ball because I only own one, and I'm not using Fast Ball for two reasons. One, I'm running too many different Evolution cards -- too little chance of getting one I want. Two, I might reveal more of my deck than I'm really willing to. Still, if I could find a good place for it, I might consider it. As for your question, I've never accidentally moved two Multis onto the same Pokemon through Energy Trans, though I've done it on purpose at least once, when I needed to pay for NH Sceptile's attack.
     
  14. HYPER EEVEE

    HYPER EEVEE Iron Chef - Master Emeritus

    might want to try SER2 I use it in my sceptile deck and it works wounders
     
  15. dkates

    dkates New Member

    I dunno... first, I don't have any SER2. Second, even with Energy Trans working, there's still only a 1 in 4 chance of it doing anything to help. Just doesn't seem worth it to me.
     
  16. dkates

    dkates New Member

    Got some advice at Pokeschool, and made some changes. Here is the updated list.

    Pokemon (22):
    4 Treecko (Razor Leaf)
    4 Grovyle (2 Poison Breath, 2 Natural Cure)
    4 Sceptile (2 Lizard Poison, 2 Energy Trans)
    3 Carvahna
    3 Sharpedo
    2 Dunsparce (SS)
    2 Ditto (SK)

    Trainers (20):
    4 Bill's Maintenance
    2 Professor Oak's Research
    4 Oracle
    2 Pokemon Nurse
    1 Town Volunteers
    3 Switch
    4 Moo-Moo Milk

    Energy (18):
    11 Grass Energy
    4 Multi Energy
    3 Water Energy

    Notes: Supporter count is down by 1, which is a start (I'm now at 13 Supporters -- good thing I'm not superstitious). As you can see, PETM and Super Scoop Up are gone now, and Moo-Moo Milk is in.
     
  17. dkates

    dkates New Member

    Finally decided to dismantle my other deck, and make some improvements to this one. Here's the updated list.

    Pokemon (19):
    4 Treecko (Razor Leaf)
    1 Grovyle (Natural Cure)
    4 Sceptile (2 Lizard Poison, 2 Energy Trans)
    3 Carvahna
    3 Sharpedo
    2 Dunsparce (SS)
    2 Ditto (SK)

    Trainers (23):
    3 Bill's Maintenance
    2 Professor Oak's Research
    4 Oracle
    2 Pokemon Nurse
    1 Town Volunteers
    3 Switch
    3 Moo-Moo Milk
    2 Power Charge
    3 Rare Candy

    Energy (18):
    3 Boost Energy
    9 Grass Energy
    4 Multi Energy
    2 Water Energy

    Notes: The most important changes are the Boost Energies and Rare Candies (the Power Charges are for the Boosts). Each one should help this deck's speed, which previously was slightly sluggish.
     
  18. Mitsirugi

    Mitsirugi New Member

    Everyone has there own style when building there decks,I'm sure that my sceptile deck will take yours out sweetness just cuz my styl is different than yours you make yours funny.
     
  19. HYPER EEVEE

    HYPER EEVEE Iron Chef - Master Emeritus

    I think that you might want to switch your ditto with suddowoodo (AQ) is you want speed you can attach a multi energy and get many of your enegy out faster the trans it away.
     
  20. dkates

    dkates New Member

    Thing is, Sudowoodo wouldn't really be good because without a Poke-Body like Ditto's, it's pretty much impossible to Copy any decent attack. Yes, I do actually use Ditto to attack on occasion. An interesting idea, I just think Sudowoodo would be in the discard pile before it did anything useful.
     
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