ShinySwampert
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My thoughts precisely. More than 1 is wasted deck space.
Luxury Ball...ZOMG...Celio as a TRAINER!!!
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My thoughts precisely. More than 1 is wasted deck space.
Tego
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Not quite. All tech lines should be 1-1 because there's Azelf LA. Azelf can't get you Trainer cards, so ...
ShinySwampert
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Still wasted deck space, and a dead card after one's played.
Gengar will make you pay if you play more than one of these.
Agreed. Your 2 card tech just became 3. Might as well throw in the 4th card and forget Azelf; it takes up bench space, and is useless after you Time Walk.
Tego
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No, it's not decreasing it to 3, because Azelf can be used to get any other useful Pokémon (other than your tech lines) from your deck. But good point about memorizing where Lux Ball is. You can actually rearrange your prizes to put Lux Ball first.
I'm playing 1 Lux Ball in some of my decks, 2 in others. I haven't decided yet what's the best.
ShinySwampert
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With Claydol and Azelf benched, isn't Dusknoir a big threat? I'm sure he'll be very popular (probably 1 DP, 2 IFDS - 1 Lv. X (when it comes out)) That gives you room for 1 more Pokie on the bench. I don't think most decks can afford to do that.
I hate that Dusknoir is so overpowered. Dusknoir counters are a must, but there aren't many. 4 Benched Aerodactyl maybe? lol.
I hate that Dusknoir is so overpowered. Dusknoir counters are a must, but there aren't many. 4 Benched Aerodactyl maybe? lol.
ShinySwampert
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At least other "dead cards" can be played, or possibly be used later on. This just sits in your hand, totally unuseable.
If you run four of these post IFDS, you're just begging Gengar to Giest you for up to 90 more damage, after he's Shadow Loomed your Claydol to death, so you can't CP them away.
Starting with a Luxury Ball is sweet, but it's not that much better than starting with Bebe. Sure, you still get your draw support, which is welcome, but the dead cards you draw later ain't worth it.
This isn't Professor Oak, or Computer Search. Holon Transceiver was way more useful. Luxury Ball is just that; a luxury. Use 1.
ShinySwampert
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Switch two Bebe's for 2 Luxury ball? Yeah right. Maybe you don't, but I tend to use more than 1 Bebe per match. I've probably never used all 4, but at least I can.
The benefits of running 4 is not enough compared to loss of deck space and the liability it becomes later on.
I'd rather run 4 Dusk Ball. At least I can get them out of my freakin hand. With all the other Pokemon-grabbing trainers coming out (Poke-Drawer. Poke-Radar, the list goes on), playing 4 of these is downright unreasonable, and a bad decision.
I could see people getting hyped if this was a reprint of Pokemon Trader (as a non supporter, of course... which wouldn't be a bad idea for TPC... maybe call it "Poke-Trader" or something novel like that) but this ain't good enough to take up 4 spaces in my deck.
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yoyofsho16
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This seems like one of those cards, where if you run like 3, mid game, you Cosmic Power and draw 2 next to each other, and then you say GOSH I WISH I DIDN'T DECK THESE!
Magic_Umbreon
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I think Ryuzaki is spot on, I agree with all his comments. My gut instinct is also 2, but for some decks 3 may be more appropriate.
yoyofsho16
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How about you don't switch ANY Bebe's and put in 1 LB instead? Hmm?
afstandopleren
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Luxury Ball should be in quantity's of 1.....Unless you run Felicity's, you can use it as Felicity fodder...provided that you already play 1 Luxury Ball....
Then again, putting 2 in a deck would force you to keep running into the most useless card when you have already played it.
Conclusion: It's a waste of space when not having a way to discard it for better purposes.
Then again, putting 2 in a deck would force you to keep running into the most useless card when you have already played it.
Conclusion: It's a waste of space when not having a way to discard it for better purposes.
master of puppets
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He plays 4 Bebe for consistency. And it is completely different than playing 4 Luxury Ball for consistency. If I play 4 Luxury Ball and 2 Bebe, the max amount of Pokemon I can get with those SIX cards is THREE. That to me sounds very, very stupid.
Whereas if I play 4 Bebe and 2 Luxury Ball, I can get FIVE Pokemon with those SIX cards.
Who cares if you have to shuffle a card in with Bebe's? Usually that's a good thing cause that's one less card out of your hand for Claydol draw.
You have got to be kidding me, Ryuzaki.
Playing 4 Luxury balls in a deck is the biggest waste of deck space that I can think of. Playing 4 is just plain silly. There is no reason to play 4 when you can only use one.
That is exactly the same thing as if I were to play 1 Beldum and 4 Metagross as a tech in one of my decks, just because having 4 Metagross would make it much more likely to draw into one.
But then what do I do with the other three!!!?
Two luxury ball at most. Anymore is ridiculous and a complete waste of time, space, and resources.
Your analogy makes no sense. It is completely irrelevant.
See, a difference between 4 Bebe and 4 Luxury ball is that I most likely will only not use 1 of my Bebe, but if I'm playing 4 Luxury Ball, theres 3 cards that are guaranteed that I will not use, whereas with Bebe, there is always that chance that I might need my 4th.
Alright, lets say I take that Bebe that I won't use and put in a Luxury Ball to increase that consistency. I won't use my last of either, so it only makes sense, right?
Well, lets then say that I draw 1 Bebe and 1 Luxury Ball in my opening hand. I use the Luxury Ball first and set up my Claydol, then next turn I use Bebe and grab my Kirlia with it. I then proceed to use Cosmic Power, I draw 3. Night Maintenance, Warp Point, and Luxury Ball.
Whats this? I've already used a Luxury Ball, so that means this does me absolutely zero good. Too bad I took out my 4th Bebe's for that 3rd Luxury Ball, otherwise I might have drawn that instead... How am I going to set up my Gardevoir now? After all, I am stuck with this dead draw, and a Luxury Ball I can't use. If only it were that Bebe, than I would be perfectly fine...
Too bad I took Ryuzaki's advice on this one....
Blaziken 1111
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I would only play 1of these. Becasue I would only use this as a fith bebe. This card becomes unplayable after the first one. Bebe isn't. Also bebe works better with claydol because bebe gets a card out of your hand. Luxuary ball doesn't and also if one has already been used then it just gets in the way. Maybe 2 but no more than 3 becasue you shouldn't use this for consitency. I guess you could play 3 bebe and 1 luxuary ball. That would be smart because it's your 4th bebe or use it as your 5th bebe. But this can't be used as one of your main cards to set up.
ryanvergel
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1 and 2 if space permits is probably going to be the new staple.
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There are two main problems in playing more than 1 Luxury Ball:
1.)
You have completely dead cards. This is the worst thing you can have. Dead cards were only Windstorm and additional gyms, both in case your opponent didn't play any gyms/tools/unowns or the same gym as you. Any other card could at least be played, even if positive effect might have been very little in lategame.
Solution for this problem is discarding. Best thing is using Felicity's Drawing, which could be a good idea with Steven's Advice rotated out. Next is to use PokéPowers or attacks which have discarding as side-effect. Dusknoir IFDS, Kingdra LA and Alakazam MT are some examples here. If you are able to discard, you still have useless cards, but at least they don't stuck in your hand or your deck.
In case you have good discard options, it would be a good idea to play 2-3 Luxury Ball. Of course a useless card is a disadventage in mid-game, but the adventage in early-game - having a higher chance to search Pokémon with 6-7 searchers and non-supporter-status in some of them - is much bigger, as long as you get rid of the remaining useless Luxury ball later.
2.)
They take space in your deck. Of course you could say, 1-2 more slots are ok if you get out faster. But as I mentioned before, most decks already have problems to fit in all cards needed. If you want high consistancy, I'd prefer 4 PokéDraw+, which can help all over the game and not only at the start. They need Claydol because else you won't have a high chance to get two with Wager in the metagame, but most decks play Claydol anyway.
Decks that have free space because they only run one main line or need low amounts of energy (Sceptile decks, low attack costs etc) can fit in some additional Luxury Balls without taking too many slots away.
To conclude, it is a matter of what deck you play, like with any other cards. Almost every deck should play one Luxury Ball, at the moment there is no reason not to do, but whether you play two or more should be decided by the rest of the decklist.
1.)
You have completely dead cards. This is the worst thing you can have. Dead cards were only Windstorm and additional gyms, both in case your opponent didn't play any gyms/tools/unowns or the same gym as you. Any other card could at least be played, even if positive effect might have been very little in lategame.
Solution for this problem is discarding. Best thing is using Felicity's Drawing, which could be a good idea with Steven's Advice rotated out. Next is to use PokéPowers or attacks which have discarding as side-effect. Dusknoir IFDS, Kingdra LA and Alakazam MT are some examples here. If you are able to discard, you still have useless cards, but at least they don't stuck in your hand or your deck.
In case you have good discard options, it would be a good idea to play 2-3 Luxury Ball. Of course a useless card is a disadventage in mid-game, but the adventage in early-game - having a higher chance to search Pokémon with 6-7 searchers and non-supporter-status in some of them - is much bigger, as long as you get rid of the remaining useless Luxury ball later.
2.)
They take space in your deck. Of course you could say, 1-2 more slots are ok if you get out faster. But as I mentioned before, most decks already have problems to fit in all cards needed. If you want high consistancy, I'd prefer 4 PokéDraw+, which can help all over the game and not only at the start. They need Claydol because else you won't have a high chance to get two with Wager in the metagame, but most decks play Claydol anyway.
Decks that have free space because they only run one main line or need low amounts of energy (Sceptile decks, low attack costs etc) can fit in some additional Luxury Balls without taking too many slots away.
To conclude, it is a matter of what deck you play, like with any other cards. Almost every deck should play one Luxury Ball, at the moment there is no reason not to do, but whether you play two or more should be decided by the rest of the decklist.
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ShinySwampert
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Perfect analogy.
lol
1 is enough for me. I hate dead cards. Even if I run a starter, I run two. They simply aren't good enough to take up more than 2 spaces, whether I start with them or not.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Kabutops141
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Ryuzaki: MOP is right. 4 Bebe's is for consistancy. And MANY times I have used all 3/4. I also think that it's silly to play 4 Lux ball. That's just wasting 3 precious slots so that you might get the ball in your opening hand. I, for one, would rather run no Lux Balls than 4 of em. It just..dosen't make sense..
ryanvergel
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2 makes sense for prizing it or for getting it out quicker, but 3 or 4 is just such a ridiculous waste it's not even funny.