Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Lysandre's Last Resort Situations

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joelsoh

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With the release of Lysandre's Last Resort, I feel a lot of horrid situations could come up. I'm wondering what actions you would all take in the following situations.

1. He said, She said - P1 accuses P2 of using 2 supporters in a turn, the second being Lysandre's Last Resort. This shuffles away any evidence of what cards were played earlier in the game for both players. This could be used maliciously. What penalty would you hand out/ what would you do?

2. Same situation as above, except P2 has an empty discard pile at the time while P1 doesn't. Does this make P2s situation reversible and the opponents not reversible because it is clear what should be where? What penalties apply this time?
 
joelsoh said:
With the release of Lysandre's Last Resort, I feel a lot of horrid situations could come up. I'm wondering what actions you would all take in the following situations.

1. He said, She said - P1 accuses P2 of using 2 supporters in a turn, the second being Lysandre's Last Resort. This shuffles away any evidence of what cards were played earlier in the game for both players. This could be used maliciously. What penalty would you hand out/ what would you do?

2. Same situation as above, except P2 has an empty discard pile at the time while P1 doesn't. Does this make P2s situation reversible and the opponents not reversible because it is clear what should be where? What penalties apply this time?
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Like shuffling your hand into the deck, shuffling your discard pile into your deck is, in most cases, an irrecoverable game state, and will result in the offending player getting a game loss. If both players shuffle, then possibly a double game loss. As far as the maliciousness, we use the same guidelines we use for N.

In rare cases when it happens early in the game when the discard piles are small, a judge may be able to recover the discard pile, but this has to be very early in the game. In this case a Game Play Error: Major penalty should apply (based on the example of shuffling the deck without a card effect, since the deck will need to be shuffled after the discard pile is reconstructed.)
 
Agreed with pokemather, this situation should be addressed exactly like N would be for shuffling the hand back into the deck. GL to start, unless fixable being the first couple turns of the game.
 
Plusle hit the nail on the head for #1.

For #2, if P2 had an empty discard when he played LTC, what's the issue?

Really though, just about every improper LTC situation can be equated back to the resolutions we use for N - Random Receiver for LTC, drop it into the play field, and then claim you didn't play it when your opponent shuffles? Same DGL we give for the same situation with N. Even if the irreparable game state isn't on the LTC player's side of the board, he's still mishandling cards (read as - committing gameplay errors) that are creating the irreparable gamestates.
 
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ShuckleLVX said:
For #2, if P2 had an empty discard when he played LTC, what's the issue?
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LTC makes both players shuffle their discard piles into their decks. The issue would be that P1's discard pile, which wasn't empty, was shuffled into their deck.
 
tutti said:
LTC makes both players shuffle their discard piles into their decks. The issue would be that P1's discard pile, which wasn't empty, was shuffled into their deck.
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But if Player 2 had an empty discard pile prior to playing LTC, why would playing LTC be an issue? He hasn't played a Supporter this turn.

WAIT! It could have been a Charon's Choice!

Oh the hilarity that would ensue...

Judge: "So, you both agree his discard pile was empty before he played LTC?"

Player 1: "Yes."

Judge: "And you believe he had already played a Supporter prior to playing LTC?"

Player 1: "Yes."

Judge: "You've already said his discard pile was empty. What Supporter could he have already played that wouldn't have gone to his discard pile?"

Player 1: "Charon's Choice."
 
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