Discussion in 'Deck Help and Strategy' started by Krucifier, Jul 5, 2008.

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  1. Krucifier

    Krucifier New Member

    Hey. Any suggestions or fixes would be greatly appreciated. ^^"

    The list:

    Pokemon - 24
    4x Eevee MD
    1x Vaporeon MD
    1x Umbreon MD
    1x Espeon MD
    2x Leafeon MD
    2x Leafeon Lvl. X MD
    2x Magmar MT
    2x Magmortar SW
    1x Magmortar Lvl. X SW
    2x Baltoy GE
    2x Claydol GE
    1x Mew* d DF
    1x Holon's Castform
    1x Chatot
    1x Unown Q

    Trainers - 20
    4x Celio's Network
    2x Bebe's Search
    3x Roseanne's Research
    3x Night Maintenance
    2x Steven's Advice
    2x Windstorm
    2x Lake Boundary
    2x Warp Point

    Energy - 16
    3x Scramble Energy
    3x Double Rainbow Energy
    2x Grass Energy
    3x Fire Energy
    1x Water Energy
    4x Call Energy
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2008
  2. lestatxxx

    lestatxxx New Member

    - 1 vaporeon
    - 2 watwe energy
    - 1 Unown Q

    + 2 fire energy
    + 2 grass energy
  3. pikachu*

    pikachu* New Member

    ^^ YOu need vaporeon for the Empo Match.

    Jared, nice list,

    All i can say is add another DRE in somehow :p. And also try and fit in a Holon's Castform :p. Besides that, good list!
  4. Jason

    Jason New Member

    there is already a Holon castform in the deck, Sam.

    Nice list jared (even tho you used my cards for the deck... :p)
  5. Krucifier

    Krucifier New Member

    Unown Q I actually find really useful, you can use it to wall against Bring Down to protect your other Pokemon, or you could use it to help reduce other retreat costs, which can be really gamebreaking.

    Vaporeon is needed for the Empoleon matchup. So thus, the water energy really needs to stay...

    Thanks for the input, though!
  6. lestatxxx

    lestatxxx New Member

    Unown Q T1 is very bad starter No prizes free! is vital in the deck =)*
    Vaporoen (90 hp + espeon 110 hp) vs. Empoleon ( only 130 hp, lv x 140) 20 - 80, empo is supreme w/ 3 energy damage 100 vs. vapo. w/ 3 energy 60 damage and very luck flip a coin ^^ 3 turns for K.O empo, use jolteon match up empoleon jajaja, is my opinion my friend ^^*
  7. Jason

    Jason New Member

    lestatxxx: vaporeon is just sooo good, can't you learn more about this one great term: metagaming, better? :p
  8. Krucifier

    Krucifier New Member

    Vaporeon is to heal all the damage spread that Empoleon does (With it's first attack). It isn't meant for going head to head against Empoleon. Unown Q starts are virtually impossible... And I *MIGHT* take Unown Q out, one day, but at the moment it is working fairly well.

    Thanks for speaking your mind. ^^"
  9. lestatxxx

    lestatxxx New Member

    Is experience my friend Damian (aka Argentina) He use Leafeon w/ vaporeon, my deck empostar 0 loose, vaporeon heal 20 and damage 30 w/ 1 energy no is necessary base damage 100 + dual splash, is you deck you know.
    I think more and not bother doing a dead views

    Jason: There is what you say

    Sorry for my bad english ... I use Google traductor Saludos!
  10. Yoshi-

    Yoshi- New Member

    Why is Vaporeon that good ?
    It heals 20, Empo puts 30 down, until you kill Empo this way, he has build up 5 new ones :/
    And this 10 dmg will bring Leaf into 2hko range, and since its your only "fighter" against Empo, it'll go down too fast :/
    I'm testing this matchup but I just can't figure out what to do :/

    When Empo gets the faster setup it'll just dmg the leafeons on the bench so they'll die pretty fast, and even lategame they are mostly 2hkos.
    I like the deck, but I just can't get this one figured out :/
  11. Banette EX

    Banette EX New Member

    If you add in Holon FF and more Fire in this deck,Magmortar X just slaps \Empoleon around. Leafy X can take on Empoleon,you dont even need Vappy half the time,its good sometimes but find it just let them spread anyway.

    I would add more Castform and make eevee 3 and the evo line 2-2-1-1 Leafy/Umby/Espy cuz it gets kinda clunky.
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